(December 6, 2013 at 6:04 am)pocaracas Wrote: And to which I replied: Puny god!
If a god destroys space-time, then time goes along into oblivion.
If it can't destroy time, then we've found a limitation to this god.
Need better god.
i'll tell you what... you come up with a method to which that is possible, and i'll grant you your point. if it is impossible, then you have no more reason to call God "puny" for that than you do for the fact he can't create a square circle, a married bachelor. your objection is as worthless as someone who asks "why can't God Disney a purple?" when you have a phrase with an internal contradiction, it becomes a nonsensical or meaningless phrase. to square a circle isn't actually something you can do, but is a combination of words that collectively negate all meaning from them.
Quote:1) If realm U's space-time is a subset of the dimensionality in realm G, then before and after the universe are terms which make some sense. This is not what WLC is meaning.first off, I disagree with your base presumption that there is a realm G. I don't think there is a realm G, but an essence G. if realm G now exists, it was created by essence G, not in itself necessary as essence G is. but looking over your possibilities, I would most agree with 4, though I don't think the fact that he can't remove the time component from that dimension makes him "puny" since as I've stated before it's logically impossible for him to do so. that objection along with the "rock too heavy to lift" paradox fail as arguments against God.
2) If realm U's space-time is apart from realm G, then the temporality in realm G is independent from the temporality of realm U. Hence it also makes sense to speak of before and after realm U, however, not in accordance to our realm U understanding of time... It's related only to realm G's concept of time, whatever that may be.
3) If realm U's space-time is apart from realm G and realm G has no time dimension, then it makes no sense to speak of before and after realm U's existence, in realm G's concepts, given that realm G does not have a concept of time.
4) If realm G has no time dimension and realm U is created with time and appended to realm G, then realm G will have gained the time dimension. It makes no sense to speak of "before realm G gained the time dimension", nor an "after realm G lost the time dimension" and god would be puny if it couldn't undo the time dimension in realm G as easily as it was created... One can say realm U was created at time t = 0 and destroyed at time t = t_f, but this time would only refer to the time axis of realm U.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
-Galileo