"The bible test" Answered.

[Drich]

The point of the FFRF Bible Quiz was to help people realize what outrageous and laughable content is to be found in the Bible. No one denies that there is some good content, some excellent exhortations to moral behavior. However, so much is immoral and superstitious that no one should give the Bible a blanket endorsement as the Word of a just and loving God.

If you're looking to the bible as a source of 'morality' then you do not understand the concept. That is why one can find moral and immoral examples in it. If you are looking for an explaination of morality as the bible identifies it see me thread on man's morality.

In addition to the answers found in the Bible Quiz, here are a few more specimens to show how detestable and sometimes silly can be the instructions attributed to God.

Before we move on past the bible quiz you must first either acknoweledge my findings or refute them.

Now kill all the boys [among the captive Midianites]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18) No matter what fundamentalists may claim, the virgins were not spared to help with cooking and sewing.

Do not spare them [the Amalekites] put to death men and women, children and infants [nursing babies], cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys. (1 Samuel 15:3)

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity. (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

The punishment attached to the First Commandment: "Even your brother or your son or your daughter or the wife you love or your closest friend may secretly encourage you to worship other gods, gods that you and your ancestors have never worshiped. Some of them may encourage you to worship the gods of the people who live near you or the gods of those who live far away. But do not let any of them persuade you; do not even listen to them. Show them no mercy or pity, and do not protect them. Kill them! Be the first to stone them, and then let everyone else stone them too. Stone them to death! They tried to lead you away from the Lord your God, who rescued you from Egypt, where you were slaves. Then all the people of Israel will hear what happened; they will be afraid, and no one will ever again do such an evil thing." (Deuteronomy 13:6-11)

Death penalty for changing your religion. Cutting off hands. Making war on women and children. Who does all this remind you of? The Taliban? Al Qaeda? No group that I would want to be associated with.

And to move from the grisly to the ludicrous: "Take the other ram, and Aaron and his sons shall lay their hands on its head. Slaughter it, take some of its blood and put it on the lobes of the right ears of Aaron and his sons, on the thumbs of their right hands, and on the big toes of their right feet. Then splash blood against the sides of the altar. And take some blood from the altar and some of the anointing oil and sprinkle it on Aaron and his garments and on his sons and their garments. Then he and his sons and their garments will be consecrated." (Exodus 29:19-21) As Robert Ingersoll said, if you saw some South Sea Islanders going through a ritual like that, you could hardly keep yourself from laughing.

All of these type instances have already been discussed in my morality thread.

I can understand how many people can endorse the Bible without reading it. They've always been told that it is of divine origin. As Bill Maher says, for most Christians, it's like clicking the Agree button on a software license without reading it.

What makes you think I have not read or know of these acts?

I can also understand how some people can actually read over this detestable garbage without it registering. I can understand because I did it myself before I was in the ministry. As I say now, I read with my mind on cruise control. Large parts of the Old Testament are desperately boring, and there is a tendency to read fast, skimming without most of the content sinking in.

Read, accepted, Doctrinal changes made accordingly. I have absolutly no conflict between God and Righteousness.

I can't understand how, once it is brought to their attention, fundamentalists can attempt to defend the indefensible, putting themselves through the most pathetic mental contortions. I don't think that deep down they even believe what they are saying, but the idea of letting go of their Bible is too scary for them to contemplate.

Because you and people like you (Bill Mahar) can't get past your own personal understanding of morality/Righteousness. Or as Christ identifies it self righteousness.

Even more so, I can't understand how learned scholars can carefully translate and study this material without retching. For instance, how could the committee doing the New International Version say after translating those passages, that they "were united in their committment to the authority and infallibility of the Bible as God's word in written form"?

maybe you should ask a question of one of those people, rather than assume.

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Good job Drich, they're afraid to take you on, they beg for answers and when you give them answers they run and hide just like scripture described over 2000+ years ago. They are living proof of prophecy.

GC

Thank you.

You will notice a personal insult heavy lead in like on this on any thread when the website they get this crap from doesn't tell them what to think when someone challenges and defeats the content they were all so eagerly willing to champion. It's like Bill Marah says: "They don't really read this stuff (if they do they don't understand it) It's like clicking the agree button at the bottom of a software agreement form."

Or so I'm told that what he said.. (I'm not really a fan of people like that.)

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That's not true at all, the distinction is completely arbitrary. You can make that argument for some of the animals, but not for all. For instance - Camels, Badgers, Hares, a whole list of perfectly sanitary birds, etc.

Someone else though that too. A deeper explaination starts on post 17. I will agree my answer does not conform to the typical knee jerk christian response.

The passage of the rich young man is one of my favourites in the Bible.

The answer in the quiz is completely wrong and out of context, and I shall prove it.

• Just then someone came up and asked Him, “Teacher, what good must I do to have eternal life?”
  
  “Why do you ask Me about what is good?” He said to him. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

The answer is "keep the commandments", NOT "sell all of your possessions and give the money to the poor."

What Jesus says is this: “If you want to be perfect,” Jesus said to him, “go, sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”

Sell your possessions and give the money to the poor and you will have: treasure in heaven (in addition to the already promised eternal life).

This is a perfect example of the new covenant promise vs the old. In order to enter live you had to "keep the commandments", described by Peter in Acts 15 as "a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear?"

Then how can we keep God's commandments if this is a 'yoke none of us have been able to bear?'

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Good job Drich, they're afraid to take you on, they beg for answers and when you give them answers they run and hide just like scripture described over 2000+ years ago. They are living proof of prophecy.

GC

Oh lol. Good job Drich for getting your ass handed to you by having your answers torn to shreds. I see plenty of rebuttals and not much running and hiding. Also I missed the bit in the bible about internet cock sparring sessions over 2000+ years ago.

sour grapes much, or are you just given over to delusion?

Show me one example of someone here who has taken on and challenged more than 3 of my answers. let alone refuted them? How then in your estimation has my 'ass been handed to me' exactly?

-or did you simply mistake me taking the weekend to spend with my family as a sign of defeat?

I guess while the cat's away...

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Good job Drich, they're afraid to take you on, they beg for answers and when you give them answers they run and hide just like scripture described over 2000+ years ago. They are living proof of prophecy.

GC

So why hasn't Drich the Giant Killer responded to my latest post, where I pointed out that much of the Old Testament reads like a manual for the Taliban?

Here is 16 pages of back and fourth discussion on that very topic.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-22249.html