RE: The question that makes fundies hostile
December 11, 2013 at 5:20 pm
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2013 at 5:27 pm by Godscreated.)
(December 11, 2013 at 1:07 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote:(December 10, 2013 at 7:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, they are misguided.
GC
Fair enough. So it's not a problem for you to believe that the guidance you receive is justified, even if it leads some people (not specifically you, per se) to commit some pretty heinous hate crimes because of the sense of moral superiority that your religion gives them? (Hint: hate crimes, bigotry, suppression of harmless ideals and persuasions/tendencies i.e. homosexuality are all bad when it leads to degradation of humanity). If you feel justified in perpetuating any of those things because of how you feel you are guided, then I and many others like me will definitely find fault. So I guess my next question is do you feel morally superior or just morally correct, or do you feel both?
I'm not morally superior to any one, are my morals better than some, yes. I try and live to the standards God has set for His children. It's you guys who want to say I present myself as morally superior, I believe it's because you do not understand that my beliefs are unchanging on most moral issues. I do not believe in treating people as less than what God deems them to be and as far as I can tell they are all just as important to Him as I am. As far as harmless ideas, hate crimes and ect. if they lead to degradation of man according to God then yes I in accordance with Him. Sorry if you find this unpleasant, but I have to live by what I see as truth, whether you believe as I do or not.
GC
(December 11, 2013 at 1:25 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(December 11, 2013 at 1:07 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote:
Sorry, not "fair enough", that is a watered down cop out by GC.
The believer uses this as a doge to avoid accepting there IS a rightful reason they reject those claims. It allows them to avoid putting that same mirror of logic to their own claims.
If GC can live without believing in Allah or Vishnu what makes them think their own god is needed? Why wouldn't they be making the same mistake others make in not considering it is nothing more than "it feels right" and "I want to believe it is true".
I do not believe because it feels good or feels right, doing something for those reasons would be wrong. I believe because I know God is real and that what He offers is best for mankind.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.