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Father Arguments
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RE: Father Arguments
First of all, I'd question him on why god's opinion on morality is somehow absolute, because merely appealing to him as the creator of the universe doesn't give his thoughts on good and evil any more credence.

Second, try pointing out all of the old testament moral pronouncements that your dad himself doesn't follow; technically, he's meant to kill you if you don't believe. No doubt you'll get the excuse that the old testament no longer applies, in which case, you've got him: how can a moral system change, and still be absolute?

Finally, ask your dad why god selected X set of actions as morally good, and Y set of actions as morally evil. Does god have a reason for doing that, or is it just a random grab bag of the guy's opinions, with nothing to base it on? If it's just god's opinion, then it's hardly absolute, but moreover your dad is admitting that his moral code isn't based on anything real, just someone else's opinions. If it's not an opinion, if there's reasons god chose those specific moral guidelines, then ask him what those are, and why those practical concerns wouldn't occur to an atheist with sufficient thought, with or without a god. Don't let him just say that god's reasons for doing what he did is that he knows what's morally right and wrong, or some shit, because that's just circular reasoning. Try and pin him down on what reasons god might have, for example, of making murder a sin.
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Father Arguments - by Severan - December 14, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Zen Badger - December 14, 2013 at 7:41 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by pocaracas - December 14, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by feeling - December 14, 2013 at 7:51 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 14, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Minimalist - December 14, 2013 at 8:43 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Napoléon - December 14, 2013 at 8:44 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Minimalist - December 14, 2013 at 9:21 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Polaris - January 17, 2014 at 1:16 am
RE: Father Arguments - by Severan - December 14, 2013 at 8:54 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by pocaracas - December 14, 2013 at 8:59 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by feeling - December 14, 2013 at 9:01 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - December 14, 2013 at 9:27 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Brakeman - December 14, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Faith No More - December 15, 2013 at 12:18 am
RE: Father Arguments - by Esquilax - December 15, 2013 at 1:22 am
RE: Father Arguments - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 15, 2013 at 6:15 am
RE: Father Arguments - by WesOlsen - December 15, 2013 at 6:15 am
RE: Father Arguments - by FreeTony - December 15, 2013 at 7:11 am
RE: Father Arguments - by Nineteen - December 20, 2013 at 5:39 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Esquilax - December 21, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: Father Arguments - by Brakeman - December 21, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Brakeman - December 22, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Severan - December 16, 2013 at 4:42 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by WesOlsen - December 16, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by rexbeccarox - December 16, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Severan - December 20, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Captain Scarlet - December 20, 2013 at 4:48 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Ksa - December 20, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by là bạn điên - December 21, 2013 at 12:00 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Severan - December 21, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by FreeTony - December 21, 2013 at 2:45 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Severan - December 21, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Esquilax - December 22, 2013 at 11:18 am
RE: Father Arguments - by FreeTony - December 21, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Nineteen - December 21, 2013 at 4:51 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Brakeman - December 22, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Minimalist - December 22, 2013 at 11:28 am
RE: Father Arguments - by FreeTony - December 22, 2013 at 12:15 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by pocaracas - December 22, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by FreeTony - December 22, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Severan - December 24, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by xr34p3rx - January 16, 2014 at 2:46 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Neo-Scholastic - January 16, 2014 at 4:05 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Esquilax - January 17, 2014 at 1:11 am
RE: Father Arguments - by max-greece - January 17, 2014 at 1:27 am
RE: Father Arguments - by Polaris - January 17, 2014 at 1:33 am
RE: Father Arguments - by WesOlsen - January 21, 2014 at 5:24 pm
RE: Father Arguments - by Odysseus - January 24, 2014 at 4:04 am

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