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Kermal Ataturk Was A Bolshevik Sympathizer
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RE: Kermal Ataturk Was A Bolshevik Sympathizer
(December 28, 2013 at 8:04 pm)Chuck Wrote: Uh, no. Gallipoli was merely the compounding of an earlier, even greater and more far reaching error Churchill had already made out of staggering shortsightedness, idiotic high-handedness, criminal carelessness, and brutal ignorance. Churchill turned a turkey that was fence sitting and somewhat more favorably inclined towards the allies than the central powers into an inveterate enemy, directly robbed the ally side of the ability to greatly strengthen the Russian army by 1915, and to help stabilize Russian economy whose near collapse would lead to Russia's exit from the war.

Churchill in his position as first Lord of the Admiralty (as such the Navy Minister ) is now responsible in your eyes for the foreign policy of the Asquith government . perhaps you are not aware but First lords of the Admiralty, or the navy Minister is Junior to what was then Minister of War(then Lord Kitchener )and is now minister of defence and none of whom are responsible for foreign policy. Britain rebuffed an offer of alliance with the Ottoman Empire because of the Entente cordiale with France and their traditional alliance with Russia. It was deliberate police of Sir Edward Grey from 1905 onwards and not Churchill's doing.



Quote:Churchill's blunder resulted in the war being longer and much more costly and draining to the British empire than it needed to be, Russia being effectively cut off from world market as well as large scale allied resupply, and contributed mightily to the circumstances of Bolshevik revolution. It created the situation whereby American power was called to resolve an European problem, rather than victor in the European struggle, Britain, being able to extend its influence through its victory. It resulted in the replacement of Ottoman Turkish authority in Middle East with capricious, inattentive, and short lived League of Nations mandates that passed with the area divided along unnatural lines drawn on the map without concern for allegiances. It resulted in the opportunity to insert an unnatural Israel into the midst of an Arab world.

Ah you are an anti israeli and see Churchill as single handedly responsible for its creation even though he was not responsible for foreign policy. The ottoman empire was already close to collapse and Zionists were already colonising Palestine. I also fail to see how Russia was 'cut off'. Since the Royal Navy had supreme power in the North and Norwegian seas the passage to the port of Archangel was assured.


Quote:Perhaps you can educate yourself instead of assuming those whose time might be better used than in educating you lack the ability to assert their position.

I appear to know the formation of the Asquith cabinet and their relative roles rather better than you do.

(December 28, 2013 at 8:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Erm...as far as I'm able to determine, both Ataturk and Churchill are dead, and there isn't enough of Bolshevism left in the world to matter.

So, ultimately, why give a fuck?

Boru

Why exactly did you enter this discussion if you have no interest in either of these topics?
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Kermal Ataturk Was A Bolshevik Sympathizer - by EgoRaptor - December 28, 2013 at 12:21 am
RE: Kermal Ataturk Was A Bolshevik Sympathizer - by EgoRaptor - December 28, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Kermal Ataturk Was A Bolshevik Sympathizer - by là bạn điên - December 28, 2013 at 10:25 pm



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