RE: I need a volunteer
December 29, 2013 at 12:33 am
(This post was last modified: December 29, 2013 at 1:04 am by Little Rik.)
(December 28, 2013 at 10:42 am)Esquilax Wrote: And again, you showcase your complete inability to take reality on its own terms, instead substituting your own whenever you want and expecting everyone else to just play along. How arrogant can you get?
You are talking about REALITY without having a clue what reality is.
You set up a bulloni (bunch of bullshit) of rules and belief how the idea and the argument should or should not proceed and then you say that these rules are the reality and when confronted you say that you have no belief.
What a garbage boy.

Quote:If you actually, you know, expended even a moment's effort in getting to know our positions, instead of endlessly blathering yours, you'll see that most of us have categorically stated in the past that we don't know what happens after we die. The reason we're arguing against you now is that you're saying you do know, in contradiction to the available evidence- upon which we've developed the tentative conclusion that life seems to be finite-
Glad to hear this.
The problem however is that i tried to hear this for several weeks and nobody came up with saying that WE DON"T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DIE.
I still believe in the old saying...........WHO KEEP QUITE AGREE.........but of course now somebody will tell me.......oh i didn't know that for several weeks you asked evidence for the fact that life is finite.

Quote:and as evidence for your claim that life absolutely is infinite, you provide nothing.
Thousand of NDE's are not nothing boy.

Quote:This is something called nuance, which I know you aren't aware of: the fact is, we're disagreeing with you because you're a thoroughly disagreeable person, and an absolutely shitty debater. We take up the opposite position because... what other position is there available to take up to show you just how awful the arguments you're making are?
You want us to agree with you? Get better arguments.
How would you know how the system works when you guys never bother to develop your own consciousness.
How can you think to understand what is not physical by using physical tools.
Simply madness boy.

Quote:The buffoon, I'm afraid, is still you: congratulations for showing you still don't know the difference between "I don't believe you," and "I believe the exact opposite of what you do." I swear, you've got the understanding of a fucking toddler.
While you keep on playing with intellectual extravaganza i keep on doing something positive and useful.

(December 28, 2013 at 10:47 am)Esquilax Wrote:(December 28, 2013 at 10:38 am)enrico Wrote: Could you tell me how would you deal with two totally different things like the body and the consciousness?
Consciousness comes out of the brain, you can pick up changes to it on a CAT scan. It's chemistry and electricity inside your brain forming an emergent process. There is no evidence that consciousness isn't attached to the brain, and plenty of circumstantial evidence that it is.
Next you're going to say "but the brain is just a conduit for consciousness, it isn't the originator of it," except you're going to word it so much worse than I just did. My response is, what possible evidence could you have of that claim? And then you'll say something shitty about not seeing any evidence from me that you're wrong, and I'll go back to wishing I could hate you to death.
As far there is a parallelism between body, mind and consciousness it is obvious that the consciousness depend on the mind to express itself but i said time and time again that as soon as the parallelism is lost when the body die then the consciousness separate and can be independent.
The evidence has been brought forward by thousand of NDE's.

By the way i am not going to ask you to bring evidence of the contrary.
I know quite well you couldn't bring any.

(December 28, 2013 at 11:46 am)Stimbo Wrote: Start with a system consisting of a functioning organic brain (and appropriate means of keeping it fresh), and measure the consciousness within it. Now take away the brain's function. Assuming you haven't just created an enrico, what happens to the consciousness? Where has it gone? Can it still be measured, and if not what is the most plausible explanation for why not? What can we conclude from the experiment?
I got bad news for you Stimbo.
Considering that you got the right tools to measure the consciousness how would you know what is the level of consciousness that that particular individual has so far extract from his-her total amount of consciousness?
The total consciousness is like the iceberg.
Some is above the water (in this case is the total amount of consciousness that you can measure) and most of that is below the water and in this case you can not measure it so your experiment would not get anywhere really.
The new problem is .......where the consciousness is gone once the parallelism between body, mind and consciousness is gone?
It just separate as proven by NDE's so at the end what you get is a total mental masturbation.
Sorry to upset you but as the old saying goes........A GOOD STROKE WILL AVOID LATER PROBLEM.
