(December 30, 2013 at 9:07 pm)agapelove Wrote: God created Adam and Eve to be able to freely choose whether they wanted to obey Him or not. They were not designed to fall short at all;
But earlier you said that "God already knew what would happen before He created anything, so He prepared a Savior beforehand" and "God knew we would fall." If god knew that humanity would fall with absolute certainty, then there are two possible explanations: one, he is as much a pawn of fate as anyone else or two, he deliberately set those events in motion. I don't think it can be the former, or there exists a force even more powerful than god, which compels him to act. Thus it must be the latter, in which case our failure was part of god's design and not the result of choices that were freely made.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould
