RE: Why would God?
January 6, 2014 at 11:35 am
(This post was last modified: January 6, 2014 at 11:55 am by StoryBook.)
(January 4, 2014 at 9:00 am)Godschild Wrote:
GC Wrote:I do not know of any forcing to live a certain way, I do know and understand the transformation that takes place as we grow in a relationship with Christ. A Christian life is like any other life, you live it, there is no burden to it as you seem to believe. No one can live a life care free with no rules, life lived comes with some type of rules whether you're a Christian, atheist or whatever.
A Christian doesn't have to avoid anything, a Christian wants to avoid those things that are sinful, we are not perfect, we do sin and we understand we need forgiveness.
You have a great misunderstanding about hell other than you know it's a scary place. Actually it's a place of self made horror, a place where a person can find no love, it's a place where love can not exist, ever. Hate, despite, mean spirited, any and every kind of ugliness that's ever existed. A person will believe in God before they are in hell, they will be before Him in the Judgement. I do not believe God can hate even those who will spend eternity in hell, I see no reason that He would.
If one kills in the name of God that doesn't mean they will be in hell, it's murder, invoking the name of God doesn't change the fact it's murder, and the person who perishes could be a Christian and go to heaven. I still do not see that you've shown that Christianity is threatening.
SB Wrote:So it is ok to kill in the name of god?GC Wrote:Didn't you read what I posted, it's murder, so to put it simply, no it's not okay. You are confusing what one does with forgiveness, a person who murders someone can still receive forgiveness through Christ and repent of the sin. It seems you're confused by some of the terms used in Christianity and by how one is forgiven.I'm not confused, I find it disturbing that you can kill all you want and still get forgiveness and go to heaven.
No, I am not why should I be, I have Christ in my life, He is my redeemer the cleanser of my soul. He defeated hell and death, so there is no reason to be afraid. Only those who do not have Christ in their lives need be frightened of hell.
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SB Wrote:So where did the "magic" birth come from?
GC Wrote:Why the facepalm? Mary was a virgin but, there was no magic preformed, God doesn't do magic and to use that term shows a lack of understanding about a being capable of creating a universe. God can manipulate His creation to suit His will and He has many times.So he just "created" some baby in there instead of creating a son? Here is a thought Mary lost her virginity BEFORE being pregnant with Jesus.
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Hey, wait a minute isn't Adam gods son? God created him to. So he made a good and bad son. Then possessed his good son. What a mistake.
GC Wrote:Now why are you banging your head, you'll get a head ache doing that. I'm the one who has the understanding of scriptures, you said you were asking questions to learn, seems you would rather avoid leaning by acts such as,I'm trying, you are not making since. Did you learn this stuff from others opinion, or did you really come to the conclusion on your own?,
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SB Wrote:If you don't believe you will parish. THAT IS A THREAT
Quote:Really, how so, I've not threatened you in any way. You need to prove what you're saying here, I do not care for your tone nor the shouting. If you are going to turn this discussion into a shout and get angry thing we should just end it.
Didn't mean to yell, was just making a point.
To me this is like go left and do what I say, go right and I will shoot you. That is a threat, and how I see the quote you posted as a threat. Follow god or parish.
SB Wrote:I guess they are NOT perfect if they sin...GC Wrote:Everything was perfect until they sinned, it was their choice to give up their perfection, not God's.If they were programed to sin, then they are not perfect. God created them, God created free will. The free will is not perfect. God is not perfect. God lies,deceives, causes/allows pain...
SB Wrote:You see I look at the world in a whole different "logic" then you. I SEE the world, without god, and can still find some comfort in it. I study animal behavior and have learned much about life through how they live. They do not worship a god, they live and die and just accept it. They seem to have more free will then we do. I try to find good in life and don't need some god or mistranslated old book to tell me what is right or wrong...
GC Wrote:I understand you live by logic and it leaves no room for the Spiritual. I study animals myself, I raise and train Rottweilers and seen them do some really smart things. That would be smart for dogs, they are still far below humans and how our brains work. If you have ever trained a dog you would see that it is submissive to the one teaching it, it wants to please it's master. Being submissive doesn't mean they are some lowly thing to be looked down on, by no means, I have great respect for my dogs and their willingness to do things to please me, it's part of their nature and they are being true to that nature.
This is no different for humans, God created us less than He is, just like the dog is less than a human being. God has put it in man to be submissive, it's us who believe that submissiveness is a bad thing, when in reality it is part of a proper order. God wants and will teach us how to live a life that is pleasing to Him and we should be willing to submit and do so, He's the Master of the universe. You know who the greatest people are, those who have made it to the top. Do you know why they have made it to the top, because nothing is below them, they will do the most menial things to succeed. They see nothing that's to low for them to do to succeed, being a humble person has a lot going for it. This is what Christ meant when He told His disciples that "the least will be first and that the first will be last", He was saying live humbly and I will make you greater than those who believe they are great. Many non-believers here think that God was telling a wife she is lower than her husband because He says the wife is to be submissive to her husband. This couldn't be farther from the truth. God gave an order to the family and the man was given the position as head of the family and the wife was to submit to him, doesn't mean she is less than the husband, just like Christ is the head of the church and all Christians are to be submissive to Him. Christ said He was the groom(husband) and the church was the bride (Christians). So you see we can see God in the things He created if we'll just open our eyes to the truth.
GC
Oh I have "spirit", just don't believe in god(s). I believe we are all energy of different types.
Animals have BOTH dominant and/or submissive traits. I have been around many breeds of dogs and trained both dogs and horses. What makes us different is that humans developed the neocortex layer of the brain. There are many dogs, horses and animals in general that are dominant and don't listened to a thing you say. Dog were bred from wolves. Many wolf traits were bred out;also there were bred for different sizes of dogs now. That's why we have chihuahuas and great danes. Kinda reminds you of how evolution works.
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