RE: The Holodomor: Starvation of more than 6 million Ukrainians by Stalin
January 8, 2014 at 8:46 am
(January 8, 2014 at 6:21 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: .
Maybe you should have a wee Google, then.
Ah because everything is online in your world
Quote:The then government, obviously. As you said earlier, non-governmental sources made serious attempts to circumvent official government policies through charitable donations. That being said, enmity for the Irish has long been a British (or at least English) trait.
Bullshit. English people generally have a positive view of the Irish but if you happen to be an English child in an Irish school you are guaranteed to be bullied and called a 'tan'. The emnity is a one way street .
Quote:I just said that I blame the Church for the overpopulation, not the government. But the British government KNEW what was happening in Ireland and did virtually nothing to alleviate it. It is clear as crystal that what the British did actually exacerbated the problem.
The Government of the UK ,which included Ireland did very little. in 1780 Britain was a different country to Ireland, post 1803 it was the same country but then you know that but want to continue trying to pretend otherwise
Quote:Sorry, I disagree. Apart from the fact that what happened in the late 1840s was NOT a famine, the Penal Laws and British bigotry were the ultimate cause of the famine.
The penal laws applied accross the whole country -not just Ireland
Quote: Population and the failure of the prattie crop were proximate causes. You seem to want to ignore the fact that the hunger of 1780 was cut short and tens of thousands of lives saved by the simple expedient of NOT exporting food from Ireland. For this, the British government deserves nothing but praise. Sixty years later, things were different.
As I said it was one country in the mid nineteenth century. The UK had no legal right to prevent the movement of goods within the UK. But hey lets not destroy the myth about 'Da Bruddish'. Lets pretend that the Landlords weren't Irish indeed why not take the American myth and pretend the whole affair was deliberately engineered by 'Da Bruddish' as a genocide (and forget of course ireland's appalling stance in World war II because national myth is always more important than real knowledge.
Queen victoria donated 10,000 pounds personally, the Chruch of England organised massive collections (the vatican sent nothing...of course but they prayed)
I suppose you reject the new history movement that is spreading in History departments in ireland that has grown up a lot in the past two decades and lo longer sees national myth as a sensible way of approaching history.
Oh and the source you need is found in the book Debunking history: 151 popular myths exploded Rayner, E. G. Stapley, R. F.
Stroud : Sutton 2002