RE: I need a volunteer
January 9, 2014 at 10:01 am
(This post was last modified: January 9, 2014 at 10:35 am by Little Rik.)
(January 8, 2014 at 12:01 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Hence my curiosity about how Enrico considers what I would class as religious belief as a type of science.
There wan't be any science in religion as religion is stuck with blind faith and not the search for the truth.
Quote:I want to see if there is a way he has figured that some form of scientific investigation can be applied to spirituality with good results. Because if he can, perhaps can apply it to the massive amounts of cognitive dissonance and psychological cramp I'm presently experiencing.
You may see that the body-mind of someone who practice spirituality is in better nick that someone who does not practice but at the end you will not find any one who practice that go around boasting that spirituality make him-her any special being or it is interested in proving scientifically that spirituality is the very top.
One practice spirituality for their own good and their own progress.
All i can tell you is that there wan't be any immediate miracle.
The results come after a lot of hard work but they will come for sure if you are prepared to put the effort.

(January 8, 2014 at 11:04 am)The Reality Salesman Wrote: I think you mean body and mind, not consciousness. Consciousness is a state of mind, and it is entirely contengent upon the material brain. Are you suggesting that you have data to support that mind can exist without the material brain? If I take my camera, and snap a shot of the ocean, do you consider the data that produces the image on my screen to be immaterial? If I break open my camera, there will be no ocean, but none the less, the image can be produced so long as all of the pieces of the camera are functioning to produce the image. When the camera breaks, do you believe that the data goes on to heaven? This is the line you are taking here. It's intellectually bankrupt.
You are making a hell of a confusion because you do not understand the role of brain, mind and consciousness.
What is the brain?
What is the mind?
What is the consciousness?
The brain is that physical stuff that allow the consciousness to operate.
The mind is like the hard drive of a computer which store information, form and colors.
The consciousness is me or I or the one who decide to start the thought or the action using the mind as a storage of information and the brains as the support for expressing action.
As far as there is a parallelism among these elements everything works ok. but as soon as the body die then this parallelism is not there anymore and the consciousness separate in the same way as the driver abandon the car that does not work anymore.

Quote:If you are suggesting that there is an additional "stuff" through which consciousness survives after death, then why is it that when specific brain organs responsible for sight and sound are damaged, we lose our ability to see or hear. If all of our brain functions are crossed out one by one, we quickly find ourselves unable to percieve anything about our surroundings or even our own bodies. If our entire body is destroyed, what exactly is it that you think will be surviving? An agent stripped away from all physical means of manifestation is indistinguishable from an agent that doesn't exist at all. You've got a really deep hole to dig yourself out of, or you can just climb out, and realize it doesn't make sense to dig out of a hole.
When our body start falling apart is like when the old car start falling apart.
It is still going but not going like when the car was new.
The driver is still there inside the car and the car or the body is still moving but when the car wan't go anymore the driver will abandon the car in search for a new car that will allow to continue the journey toward the goal of life.
Quote:You are starting with the assumption that non-physical stuff exists. What exactly are you proposing this non-physical stuf is? You seem to be confused about perspectives, and your physical experience of thought. But, if you put a bullet through your brain, I assure you, you won't be troubled with such non-sense anymore. Saying a physical thing is like a non-physical thing only not physical gets us nowhere. You're simply asserting nonsensical utterances without justification or explanation.
You have no evidence of whatsoever that the life if finite and no logic of whatsoever that make any sense.
You may well forget those myriad of NDE who experience afterlife and God and think for a while about logic.
Where the consciousness come from?
From Santa or it is evolved from a myriad of lives?
This is logic.
You don't get anything for free so you got to have that consciousness earned.
And if you build this consciousness will all go to the dogs?
Of course not.
This is logic.
But too many people don't follow logic and think that consciousness came from Santa and all for free.
