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[Little Rik]

And if the brain that ALLOWS it to operate is dead…what then will allow it to operate? You’ve just contradicted everything that you’ve said.

Not at all.
When the body die the consciousness will move to a different new body so it can continue his journey in the same way as a driver will get a new car as soon as the old car rot down.

The mind is like the hard drive of a computer which store information, form and colors.

Which exists in the brain, and if it dies, how then will your consciousness recognize form or colors? What then are you defending? Do you realize how self-refuting your thoughts are with regards to the position you think they are defending?

The mind is a reflexion of the consciousness so it does not really matter at all if the body die.
As soon as the I (me) get a new body the mind has also got to be there to express the consciousness status.
You ask a good question for someone who does not know how the system works.

The consciousness is me or I or the one who decide to start the thought or the action using the mind as a storage of information and the brains as the support for expressing action.

You don’t decide to start a thought. They appear to you in consciousness. You are limited to what occurs to you. It’s a process of things entering your mind to be processed, and then appearing in consciousness. There’s a lot of brain activity that you are completely ignoring.

It all depend.
A zombie or anyone who can not control him-herself it will be slave of reactions from previous actions but anyone who has got full control of him-herself then will be able to control the situation and decide what to do.
You are generalize too much.

Here's some light reading that may interest you. It turns out, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/consci...dings.html


In this study although important to understand how the mind works there is too much generalization in the way to put all minds on the same level.
As i just said above we are all different so we can all do different things and moreover there is not a clear distinction between mind and consciousness.

You are confusing your personal experience of thought, with the third person understanding of how it actually works. I made this as plain as possible in the previous post, but you opted to ignore it completely, and just repeat yourself.

The personal experience only last for sometime but at the end what i experience is what everybody will experience.
Suppose me you and other people are all going to Rome.
I come from east, you come from west other people come from different direction.
In the beginning having taken different roads we see different panorama and experience different things but as soon as we all get in Rome we all will see the same panorama and experience the same reality.

As far as there is a parallelism among these elements everything works ok. but as soon as the body die then this parallelism is not there anymore and the consciousness separate in the same way as the driver abandon the car that does not work anymore.

That doesn’t make any sense. You’ve just baselessly asserted a separate entity, and justified it by pointing out that people drive cars. This is a non sequitur.

You may well believe that your body is the real you.
That is what to me does not make any sense at all.

When our body start falling apart is like when the old car start falling apart.
It is still going but not going like when the car was new.
The driver is still there inside the car and the car or the body is still moving but when the car wan't go anymore the driver will abandon the car in search for a new car that will allow to continue the journey toward the goal of life.

I said this previously, and you didn’t address any of it. I will restate it. Why is it that when specific brain organs responsible for sight and sound are damaged, we lose our ability to see or hear. If all of our brain functions are crossed out one by one, we quickly find ourselves unable to perceive anything about our surroundings or even our own bodies. If our entire body is destroyed, what exactly is it that you think will be surviving? There is no driver separate from the car. Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it so. What I’ve said makes this clear. Why do you just keep asserting things without recognizing that they are fatally flawed in this respect?

Eh, you probably never been to some poor country where the vehicles go around with bald tyres, no lights, no exhaust pipe with the engine leaking oil and no window or you never seen any body blind cripple with no teeth.
They still carry on regardless and when they will die they will resume their lives with what they had before unless their previous misery was to pay for some debts in which case they will be in a better situation.

You are starting with the assumption that non-physical stuff exists. What exactly are you proposing this non-physical stuf is? You seem to be confused about perspectives, and your physical experience of thought. But, if you put a bullet through your brain, I assure you, you won't be troubled with such non-sense anymore. Saying a physical thing is like a non-physical thing only not physical gets us nowhere. You're simply asserting nonsensical utterances without justification or explanation.

A bullet will put an end to this physical life not to the I.
How can you put an end to something that is not affected by a physical bullet?

You have no evidence of whatsoever that the life if finite and no logic of whatsoever that make any sense.
You may well forget those myriad of NDE who experience afterlife and God and think for a while about logic.
Where the consciousness come from?
From Santa or it is evolved from a myriad of lives?
This is logic.
You don't get anything for free so you got to have that consciousness earned.
And if you build this consciousness will all go to the dogs?
Of course not.
This is logic.
But too many people don't follow logic and think that consciousness came from Santa and all for free.

What? Are you drunk? None of this makes any sense, and you literally ignored my entire post to repeat things that you want to be true. You haven’t justified anything you’ve previously said. You haven’t resolved any of my objections, and then you finished it off with a nonsensical rant about dogs and Santa with the word logic sprinkled in between. You have demonstrated to me that you are incapable of reasoning. Your position is indistinguishable from delusion, and your state of mind is congruent with insanity. Good day.

When you will give me evidence that the consciousness can be killed by a bullet then i will clean your shoes and called you Sir.