RE: reasons to believe, there is no God
February 28, 2010 at 2:31 pm
(This post was last modified: February 28, 2010 at 2:35 pm by tavarish.)
(February 28, 2010 at 11:34 am)Tsidkenu Wrote:(February 28, 2010 at 4:15 am)Saerules Wrote: The argument that the universe was created by a designer is made with absolutely zero data to support the conclusion...
Quite the oposit is the case. We have very strong data and evidence on hand, that the universe had a beginning, and therefore it must have a cause.
Research cosmology please.
Your cosmological argument still does not account for why the universe was "created". It also does not give an account for why God's nature is his nature, since you're trying to describe the "whys" of the universe. It also does not give an account of why the laws of nature exist, rather than any other laws.
In addition, you make the assumption that the universe is contingent on our understanding of cause and effect. This is not necessarily the case. Why should there be a primary cause? Can the universe be eternal? The prime mover argument is in itself contradictory, as the prime mover somehow doesn't need a cause, but the universe does.
Check out notable objections to this argument.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/cosmol...rgument/#2
We don't have strong evidence of the existence of God. Ask fr0d0. If we did, then his faith would have no imaginary legs to stand on.
(February 28, 2010 at 2:26 pm)Watson Wrote: Darn. Here I thought we were getting somewhere, and now you've stumbled over the saying "our way of thinking is not so different afterall." Truly sad that you are that indifferent to accosiating with me.
Faith does not improve my life, it is a component part of my life, and whether you choose to accept it or not, it is part of your life as well. And I do not go to supernatural explanations to give meaning to things I do not understand. I understand the world around me quite well, and am always willing to learn more.
You, however, are stagnating as an individual because you choose only to beleive in what can be handed to you and proven. Please don't take this as an insult, it is merely the truth as I am observing from you.
Oh, and saying "God is love" gives quite a long way in understanding and defining God. You just have to first understand love.
Faith is part of my life, I blindly believe what is handed to me, and I need to understand love. Atheists don't exist either.
No, you're not self-righteous. Not at all.
