Okay, so I've been seeing from GC, Lion IRC, etc. that they can't prove that god exists, they just "know".
Here's the definition of "know"
know
nō/Submit
verb
1.
be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
"most people know that CFCs can damage the ozone layer"
synonyms: be aware, realize, be conscious, be informed; More
"be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information."
Now I know that the theists here are going to turn this on me and say that they get their religion through "observation" and "information".
A common theme here seems to be that these theists know through observation by near death experiences.
However, there are theists of multiple religions that state things about themselves meeting allah, the god of the Baha'l faith, etc.
This invalidates observation because we know it isn't trustworthy due to different results.
Theists will also commonly say "Oh, but the bible is information!"
Well, no. Information is defined as "facts provided or learned about something or someone."
The key word there is facts.
fact
fakt/Submit
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
1.
a thing that is indisputably the case.
Something that is "indisputably the case" must have been proven. If the theists have no proof, than it is not fact.
Therefore, none of you KNOW that god exists. You think you know, which is arrogance.
I know someone's probably going to try to turn this around by saying something like "Oh, but you guys don't know that god doesn't exist!", but that's just a pointless argument. You can't know that unicorns don't exist, however, no evidence that unicorns don't exist has been found. That argument only shows that if you do take on the idea that unicorns do exist, you have a hole in your brain about the size of a quarter.
There is a burden of evidence here, and that is a fact based on inquiry, a form of knowing, therefore indisputably the case.
Here's the definition of "know"
know
nō/Submit
verb
1.
be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
"most people know that CFCs can damage the ozone layer"
synonyms: be aware, realize, be conscious, be informed; More
"be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information."
Now I know that the theists here are going to turn this on me and say that they get their religion through "observation" and "information".
A common theme here seems to be that these theists know through observation by near death experiences.
However, there are theists of multiple religions that state things about themselves meeting allah, the god of the Baha'l faith, etc.
This invalidates observation because we know it isn't trustworthy due to different results.
Theists will also commonly say "Oh, but the bible is information!"
Well, no. Information is defined as "facts provided or learned about something or someone."
The key word there is facts.
fact
fakt/Submit
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
1.
a thing that is indisputably the case.
Something that is "indisputably the case" must have been proven. If the theists have no proof, than it is not fact.
Therefore, none of you KNOW that god exists. You think you know, which is arrogance.
I know someone's probably going to try to turn this around by saying something like "Oh, but you guys don't know that god doesn't exist!", but that's just a pointless argument. You can't know that unicorns don't exist, however, no evidence that unicorns don't exist has been found. That argument only shows that if you do take on the idea that unicorns do exist, you have a hole in your brain about the size of a quarter.
There is a burden of evidence here, and that is a fact based on inquiry, a form of knowing, therefore indisputably the case.
¨I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.¨
