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Proof A=A
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RE: Proof A=A
(March 3, 2010 at 2:16 pm)LukeMC Wrote:
(March 3, 2010 at 2:06 pm)tavarish Wrote:
(March 3, 2010 at 1:34 pm)Tiberius Wrote: 3) God is neither observable or testable (due to his transcendence / residence outside the empirical realm).

Again, at the current point in time. This does not account for any future discoveries into realms we have yet to define and understand objectively.

The study of psychology, dream interpretation, and developmental stages and tendencies were once deemed outside the realm of observability, but appropriate venues for repeatability and observation were established.

Why would you scientifically discount something solely on the fact that we can't see it now and can't think of a way to do so? I'm pretty sure at one point in time the concept of flight for humans was deemed impossible, but within the last century, we have developed aeronautics and changed society drastically.

It would mean changing the definition of God, I understand, as God is defined as being outside of anything testable, and is superior to all. It's not a simple case of ever-expanding goal posts that will eventually encompass God, but a God that forever sits just outside the goalposts' reach at all times by defintion. It's safer for God that way as it means faith is always required no matter what.

Though I do understand and agree with your point, to make the definition of God "being outside of anything testable", even methods we haven't devised yet, is utterly dishonest and at best a ploy to dodge internal inconsistencies and discount any empirical evidence that points to the contrary. The sheer fact that people who claim that God is outside testable claims, usually then go on to name his attributes and maintain that he can manifest in the physical world (and that he has done so in the past), means that he is testable (at least subjectively) and has a certain amount of verifiability, if only through means of faith. They assign attributes to this God, give him a nature, speak at length about what his intentions are, but then say he is untestable.

That is simply stupid and a pretty blatant cop-out. I'm talking mostly about the theists who do this very thing.

Also, how do you accept that this definition of God is correct?
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Messages In This Thread
Proof A=A - by Purple Rabbit - February 16, 2010 at 4:07 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Ashes1995 - February 16, 2010 at 4:08 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Purple Rabbit - February 16, 2010 at 4:12 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Darwinian - February 16, 2010 at 4:13 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Purple Rabbit - February 16, 2010 at 4:15 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Darwinian - February 16, 2010 at 4:17 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Purple Rabbit - February 16, 2010 at 4:21 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Darwinian - February 16, 2010 at 4:25 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Purple Rabbit - February 16, 2010 at 4:34 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Violet - February 16, 2010 at 5:16 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Tiberius - February 16, 2010 at 6:06 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Purple Rabbit - February 17, 2010 at 2:47 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by padraic - February 16, 2010 at 9:35 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Tiberius - February 17, 2010 at 4:15 am
RE: Proof A=A - by Violet - February 17, 2010 at 5:23 am
RE: Proof A=A - by TruthWorthy - February 17, 2010 at 4:18 am
RE: Proof A=A - by Tiberius - February 17, 2010 at 4:35 am
RE: Proof A=A - by padraic - February 17, 2010 at 5:42 am
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - February 17, 2010 at 12:36 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by leo-rcc - February 17, 2010 at 1:28 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Violet - February 19, 2010 at 7:59 am
RE: Proof A=A - by Purple Rabbit - February 20, 2010 at 7:38 am
RE: Proof A=A - by Tiberius - February 20, 2010 at 10:43 am
RE: Proof A=A - by Violet - February 20, 2010 at 5:18 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - February 21, 2010 at 8:53 am
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - February 21, 2010 at 7:26 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - February 21, 2010 at 8:27 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - February 22, 2010 at 3:04 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - February 22, 2010 at 3:28 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - February 23, 2010 at 6:50 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - February 23, 2010 at 7:24 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - February 24, 2010 at 7:56 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - February 24, 2010 at 8:46 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - February 26, 2010 at 5:21 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - February 26, 2010 at 7:15 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - February 28, 2010 at 4:31 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Violet - February 27, 2010 at 6:08 am
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - February 27, 2010 at 9:22 am
RE: Proof A=A - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 4:34 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - February 28, 2010 at 4:42 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - February 28, 2010 at 5:25 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - February 28, 2010 at 5:51 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Watson - February 28, 2010 at 5:28 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Violet - March 1, 2010 at 4:27 am
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - March 2, 2010 at 4:22 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 2, 2010 at 7:41 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Violet - March 2, 2010 at 5:09 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 2, 2010 at 10:53 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Tiberius - March 3, 2010 at 4:48 am
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 3, 2010 at 10:16 am
RE: Proof A=A - by Tiberius - March 3, 2010 at 10:53 am
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 3, 2010 at 11:27 am
RE: Proof A=A - by Tiberius - March 3, 2010 at 1:34 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 3, 2010 at 2:06 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by LukeMC - March 3, 2010 at 2:16 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 3, 2010 at 2:36 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by LukeMC - March 3, 2010 at 3:12 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 3, 2010 at 3:37 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by LukeMC - March 3, 2010 at 4:24 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2010 at 7:03 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 3, 2010 at 7:39 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Tiberius - March 3, 2010 at 2:37 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 3, 2010 at 2:59 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Tiberius - March 3, 2010 at 3:14 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Violet - March 3, 2010 at 5:17 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2010 at 7:56 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 3, 2010 at 8:07 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - March 3, 2010 at 8:18 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2010 at 9:00 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 4, 2010 at 12:23 am
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - March 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 6, 2010 at 6:30 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Rhizomorph13 - March 6, 2010 at 6:38 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Violet - March 4, 2010 at 3:16 am
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 4, 2010 at 10:10 am
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 4, 2010 at 5:09 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 4, 2010 at 6:27 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by LukeMC - March 5, 2010 at 1:30 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 5, 2010 at 3:10 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 5, 2010 at 3:25 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 5, 2010 at 4:34 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 5, 2010 at 6:09 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Violet - March 5, 2010 at 4:47 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 5, 2010 at 6:31 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 6, 2010 at 6:49 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Rhizomorph13 - March 6, 2010 at 6:52 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Edwardo Piet - March 7, 2010 at 6:19 am
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - March 7, 2010 at 10:51 am
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 7, 2010 at 4:28 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 9, 2010 at 5:09 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 9, 2010 at 5:29 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 9, 2010 at 6:01 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 9, 2010 at 6:35 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 9, 2010 at 6:39 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 9, 2010 at 7:51 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 9, 2010 at 10:32 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Violet - March 9, 2010 at 10:54 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 10, 2010 at 3:38 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 10, 2010 at 3:48 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - March 10, 2010 at 4:35 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 10, 2010 at 4:57 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Welsh cake - March 10, 2010 at 6:38 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by Rhizomorph13 - March 10, 2010 at 11:10 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 11, 2010 at 11:00 am
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 11, 2010 at 3:40 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 12, 2010 at 2:10 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tackattack - March 12, 2010 at 3:15 am
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 12, 2010 at 2:14 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 12, 2010 at 2:38 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 12, 2010 at 3:03 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by tavarish - March 12, 2010 at 3:40 pm
RE: Proof A=A - by fr0d0 - March 12, 2010 at 4:42 pm



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