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My Fellow Atheist
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RE: My Fellow Atheist
My main audience for this article are the agnostics out there. I have to say, I don't understand them.


So what ?

Agnosticism is not an overly complex idea.But perhaps have a go at defining what you mean,your post suggests you may have a rather individualistic notion of the word. Also,from reading your post, your claim that you do not understand seems disingenuous. You seem to at least think you do,and disagree.


Quote:It is not up to the atheist to disprove an existence, but more up to the believers who present the idea. Burden of proof should not keep anyone in the agnostic boat.

The burden of proof belongs to anyone who makes a claim about anything. The atheist who asserts "there is no god" has a burden of proof. I assert "I do bot believe" I have no burden of proof. My position is called 'weak' or 'agnostic atheism'. It is one I share with Richard Dawkins and most members on this and other atheist forums I've visited.

An agnostic does not necessarily have a burden of proof.


Quote:Strong agnosticism (also called "hard," "closed," "strict," or "permanent agnosticism")
the view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of a deity or deities and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether a deity exists or not, and neither can you."
Weak agnosticism (also called "soft," "open," "empirical," or "temporal agnosticism")
the view that the existence or nonexistence of any deities is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deities exist or not, but maybe one day when there is evidence we can find something out."
Apathetic agnosticism (also called Pragmatic agnosticism)
the view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic.[citation needed]
Agnostic atheism
the view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but do not believe in any.[15]
Agnostic theism (also called "spiritual agnosticism")
the view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence.
Ignosticism
the view that a coherent definition of a deity must be put forward before the question of the existence of a deity can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition isn't coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of a deity is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "a deity exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a better definition of theism is put forth.[16][not in citation given]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism
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My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 3, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Tiberius - March 3, 2010 at 7:04 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2010 at 7:15 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 3, 2010 at 7:35 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Tiberius - March 3, 2010 at 7:51 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2010 at 7:41 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 3, 2010 at 9:00 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2010 at 9:16 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 3, 2010 at 9:22 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by padraic - March 4, 2010 at 4:40 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by padraic - March 3, 2010 at 9:14 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2010 at 9:25 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Autumnlicious - March 3, 2010 at 9:53 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2010 at 9:54 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by chatpilot - March 3, 2010 at 10:17 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tackattack - March 4, 2010 at 8:05 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Darwinian - March 4, 2010 at 7:54 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 7, 2010 at 9:13 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by padraic - March 7, 2010 at 10:40 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 8, 2010 at 2:58 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Dotard - March 4, 2010 at 9:46 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 4, 2010 at 10:13 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by fr0d0 - March 4, 2010 at 4:56 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 4, 2010 at 6:16 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by chatpilot - March 4, 2010 at 2:42 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tackattack - March 4, 2010 at 6:55 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by padraic - March 4, 2010 at 7:27 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by chatpilot - March 4, 2010 at 11:23 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tackattack - March 5, 2010 at 4:11 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by chatpilot - March 5, 2010 at 2:35 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by fr0d0 - March 8, 2010 at 4:07 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Edwardo Piet - March 8, 2010 at 6:42 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 8, 2010 at 5:44 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Edwardo Piet - March 10, 2010 at 2:26 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tackattack - March 9, 2010 at 2:42 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by chatpilot - March 9, 2010 at 8:13 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Tiberius - March 9, 2010 at 5:09 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 9, 2010 at 5:17 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by TimeDivider - March 9, 2010 at 8:27 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tackattack - March 10, 2010 at 12:55 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by chatpilot - March 10, 2010 at 1:30 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Autumnlicious - March 10, 2010 at 1:36 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by chatpilot - March 10, 2010 at 2:40 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 12, 2010 at 3:02 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tackattack - March 12, 2010 at 3:05 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 12, 2010 at 4:09 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 12, 2010 at 1:13 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 13, 2010 at 1:01 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 13, 2010 at 6:24 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 14, 2010 at 2:12 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tackattack - March 12, 2010 at 7:32 am
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 14, 2010 at 6:36 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 14, 2010 at 7:00 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 14, 2010 at 7:40 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 14, 2010 at 8:25 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 14, 2010 at 8:36 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 14, 2010 at 10:25 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by tavarish - March 14, 2010 at 10:48 pm
RE: My Fellow Atheist - by Ryft - March 16, 2010 at 6:29 am

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