RE: Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?
January 19, 2014 at 11:00 am
(This post was last modified: January 19, 2014 at 11:13 am by James2014.)
(January 19, 2014 at 10:01 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: I can deal with that amount of suffering to justify eating them. The world is a cruel place and a world without suffering is just a dream.
So does that mean you would allow all the farm animal species to go extinct? Is that the extent of your plan? Don't you think we as humans have some kind of responsibility to protect them as we put them in this situation in the first place?
Yep the world is cruel. So what? It can also be more or less cruel depending on your actions. You just said you value suffering, should there be more or less suffering in the world? If you think you can justify the suffering of animals for you to eat them, then I would be interested to hear your argument.
If they can survive in the wild them I would certainly support them being let to live in the wild, unless of course they would harm biodiversity. If they were completely dependant on humans, then I would hope that we would pay some people to look after a limited number of animals in a similar way as to how people care for animals in animal sanctuaries. But no, the primary responsibility we have to them is to not put them through the awful suffering of factory farming.
(January 19, 2014 at 10:44 am)KUSA Wrote: How does anything that you said matter in any way? Answer: It doesn't. The fact that animals have cognitive abilities, feel pain, or what ever else doesn't matter at all.
Now I don't advocate unnecessary pain or unethical treatment of them but they are food and they must die. Once they are in my belly all the pain and suffering is gone and is replaced by joy and a feeling of fullness.
They joined the great recycling process that all life is a part of. All life on this planet dies and is recycled into something else. We just decide when they get recycled.
Why does it matter? Well other than that I was responding to the argument that they could not suffer, I suppose because if they can suffer then you argument is contradictory and therefore must be false. You say you don't advocate unnecessary pain or unethical treatment, but surely the pleasure you get form meat eating is not necessary. I mean you can survive without it, right? Well then eating meat causes unnecessary pain and is unethical.
Yep, things die. But we can choose if they have a long peaceful life, or if they have a short brutal one. If one values suffering, then one should not eat met.
