RE: Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?
January 19, 2014 at 11:59 pm
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2014 at 12:15 am by bennyboy.)
(January 19, 2014 at 4:57 pm)KUSA Wrote:Sorry, you've missed this one, 'KUSA', because your counterargument is clearly not of a like kind. YOU are complicit in your own suffering: you choose to read the article, you choose to engage in the debate, etc. A cow obviously is not complicit in the decision to execute it and put it on a bun.(January 19, 2014 at 4:30 pm)jg2014 Wrote: Here we go then...
1. Animals are conscious and can suffer
2. Causing suffering is wrong
3. Eating meat causes animals to suffer
Therefore, eating meat is wrong.
Your argument is a logical fallacy.
1. I am conscious and can suffer
2. Causing suffering is wrong
3. Your opinion causes me suffer
Therefore, your opinion is wrong.
If 'jg2014' trapped you in an enclosed space with thousands of other people, and tied your hands or crippled you so you couldn't cover your ears, and started shouting philosophical ideas at you, THEN you'd have a more comparable argument.
(January 19, 2014 at 5:42 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: And besides, animals we eat have a better life than they would in the wild. No predators to worry about, a consistant supply of food, a safe place to sleep at night.The same argument has been made for slavery. Have you asked the animals how THEY feel about being locked up, force-fed and killed at the height of their health? Consider the possibility that there's a serious conflict of interest involved, in having people who want to eat animals being the sole determiners of the morality of doing so.
Quote:And at the end, a relatively painless death. Euthanasia. Even we aren't allowed to do that to humans who are suffering. Most of the time, these animals actually get an easier death than humans. I would much rather be killed like a cow than lying in a hospital bed struggling to breath from old age. Or wasting away from cancer and some other disease.Would you still feel that way if the choice wasn't yours? What, for example, if the government decided 70 years is old enough, and a team of qualified professionals threw you onto a truck for your "painless euthanasia " against your will?
(January 19, 2014 at 5:13 pm)Chuck Wrote: General standard of morality amongst humans should be silent on that which does not impact adversely on the general welfare of humans.Replace "humans" with "white people," or with "Americans," and see if this argument is as good as you think it is. Should white people have stayed mum on the wrongness of slavery, just because they were not slaves?
