(January 20, 2014 at 1:20 pm)jg2014 Wrote: Firstly just because an animal is old does not mean it is not happy, just as old people can be happy. I want to live as long as I canm, and animals express that same desire.Instincts talking. If we had a previous life to compare to, no one would want to suffer their body slowly falling apart just so they could live as long as they could.
(January 20, 2014 at 1:20 pm)jg2014 Wrote: By preventing an animal living its full life you are causing it harm, a form of suffering.
No, you don't get to define harm or suffering.
(January 20, 2014 at 1:20 pm)jg2014 Wrote: Neither you nor I can say what an animal truly prefers, but you are anthropomorphising animals as much as I, as it was you that said they would prefer life on a farm.
You know what anthropomophising means right? It means giving animals, humans attributes and characteristics, something I haven't done. I said animals would have a better life on a farm, I said nothing about them prefering it.
(January 20, 2014 at 1:20 pm)jg2014 Wrote: the fact is animals that live in rich complex environments are in many ways happier (eg more resistant to depression http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23791932 ) it therefore stands to reason that animals would prefer the wild to the monotony of farms.
And farms are monotmous because?
(January 20, 2014 at 1:20 pm)jg2014 Wrote: The difference between you and a chimpanzee is that you, I hope, are capable of some very complicated cognitive skills, and can hold values to be able to change your behaviour. You are obsessed to the extent that your desire to eat meat has negatively affected these cognitive processes ,so that you ignore the internal contradictions in your arguments to justify your behaviour.
No matter how many times you shout 'obsession' and cover your ears, it doesnt make it any more true. If i am obsessed, then most of the world is obsessed.
And what 'internal contradictions' are these?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
