Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?

[James2014]

Instincts talking. If we had a previous life to compare to, no one would want to suffer their body slowly falling apart just so they could live as long as they could.

How do you know this? And if so do, should you therefore not also support the enforced euthanasia of old people? The fact is many old people express this opinion that they enjoy life, evening being old. They express positive emotions and there is no reason to suggest old people are not happy.

If think most people would consider killing to be harmful, but whatever.

[quote='Bad Wolf' pid='587451' dateline='1390239358'
You know what anthropomophising means right? It means giving animals, humans attributes and characteristics, something I haven't done. I said animals would have a better life on a farm, I said nothing about them prefering it.

Firstly animals most certainly do have many human characteristics, do you deny this?

They also most certainly express prefernces

We were anthropomorphising to the extent that we were both conjecturing about what the specific experiences of animals would be on a farm compared to in the wild, limited as we are by our own conception of what an animal can experience. Surely it is the quality of these experiences to which you were referring when you said a farm was better. If not then better is meaningless.

Farms are monotonous because animals are in closed habitats designed by humans to fulfil our ends to make farming them easier.

Yep, I would say the most people either never think about the rights or wrongs of eating meat or they are so obsessed with it they deny the obvious cruelty it causes.

And what 'internal contradictions' are these?

To start with, most people would say that abusing for enjoyment an animal is wrong. They believe that animals such as dogs can suffer, and mistreating them is bad But when they consider meat eating, which objectively comprises of comparable cruelty, they contradict themselves and the say that killing animals for enjoyment (culinary) is permissible. Usually they will then appeal to nature, which further adds a number of contradictions, or devalue the suffering of animals, in contradiction to the original estimation of animal suffering made in reference to cruelty against dogs.