(January 20, 2014 at 4:59 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:(January 20, 2014 at 1:54 pm)jg2014 Wrote: Firstly animals most certainly do have many human characteristics, do you deny this?
No, humans have animal characteristics. But no the characteristics we share aren't relevant
(January 20, 2014 at 1:54 pm)jg2014 Wrote: Yep, I would say the most people either never think about the rights or wrongs of eating meat or they are so obsessed with it they deny the obvious cruelty it causes.
And again, shout as loud as you want
(January 20, 2014 at 1:54 pm)jg2014 Wrote: To start with, most people would say that abusing for enjoyment an animal is wrong. They believe that animals such as dogs can suffer, and mistreating them is bad But when they consider meat eating, which objectively comprises of comparable cruelty,
No, here is where i'm going to stop you. Mistreating your dog is not the same as eating meat. It is nowhere near the same as that. It is ridiculous to suggest that. No wonder no one is agreeing with you. In most cases mistreating your dog is done on purpose for no other reason than you are taking out stress on a lesser being because you can get away with it. The CEO shouts at the manager, the manager shouts at the employee, the employee kicks the photocopier. No one else here agrees with you, that animals are mistreated or abused on the same level as abusing a dog. Abusing your dog is not necessary to survive but eating meat kinda is.
(January 20, 2014 at 2:05 pm)jg2014 Wrote: Ok, so its an old person who didn't have any other family an no other personal relationships. Many old people do live isolated lives, so its entirely feasible. The method the murder uses to kill the person is indistinguishable from dying from natural causes, so no chance of getting caught. Your ethics would say murder is permissible in this circumstances.
What would be the point of killing them? Is there a reason at all?
1. If we are to judge our actions by how much suffering they cause, the the ability to suffer is certainly relevant.
2a. People abuse animals for a variety of reasons, including because they enjoy it, for example the people that train pit bulls to become super aggressive, and then force them to fight and kill each other. They do this cause they enjoy, just like the enjoyment meat eaters get for eating meat.
2b. We do not require meat for survival. Vegans have a longer lifespan then meat eaters as shown in the adventist study I previously quoted.
3. The murderer wants to kill the old person to stop them claiming benefits, and increase spending on other things like education. The point is depriving a conscious being of life is wrong, even if it is done painlessly.
