RE: Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?
January 21, 2014 at 2:40 pm
(This post was last modified: January 21, 2014 at 2:55 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(January 21, 2014 at 2:24 pm)jg2014 Wrote:(January 21, 2014 at 1:26 pm)Chuck Wrote: Not necessary. Value as seen in common usage is subjective. Consistency and logical soundness are only of value in the pursuit of the objective.
Values are indeed subjective. But when those values are applied they must be applied logically and consistently. Do we agree on this?
No. The values of one person might seem more pursuasive to others if they are seen to be expressed and applied logically and consistently. But pursuasiveness to others may not form an important part of those values in the first place, in which case there is no compelling reason why it must either be logical and consistent, or be amenable to being expressed or applied logically and consistently.
You seem to have an issue with your values not being accepted as value suitable for all, despite the fact that your value would generate no return that most others would care about. You seem very eager to give your value a false and may I say easily penetrated veneer of logic and consistency in an attempt to inflict your value upon others at their expense.
(January 21, 2014 at 2:24 pm)jg2014 Wrote:(January 21, 2014 at 1:26 pm)Chuck Wrote: There is no must. There would be no must if one value reduction in suffering, but only amongst some subset of those who are capable of suffering. There would be no must if one value reduction in suffering, but value some of what may be attained through infliction of suffering more. There would be no must if one value reduction in suffering, but judge the cost of the implementation of the reduction in suffering to in fact be be equivalent to greater suffering.
Don't quite understand what you are saying here, could you rephrase?
Don't impudently use the word must when it is trivial to show how easily it mustn't.
(January 21, 2014 at 2:24 pm)là bạn điên Wrote: reducing suffering is MY primary concern and comes way above maximising pleasure for humans
Humoring your primary concerns comes way below relishing a steak, and relishing a steak is still far from being my primary concern. Yet still I do not try to inflict my primary concern upon you.