RE: Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?
January 21, 2014 at 3:18 pm
(This post was last modified: January 21, 2014 at 3:28 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(January 21, 2014 at 3:08 pm)jg2014 Wrote: I said nothing about values themselves being logical, I am talking about application. For example consider a person who values nature and therefore only eats organic food because it is natural, and further believes that doing anything unnatural, such as eating non organic food, is always wrong. If that person were then to the believe taking medicine is good, they would be inconsistent, and therefore one of their beliefs must be logically incorrect..
No, one of their beliefs might be practically unactionable. One of their beliefs might have been expressed imprecisely, inaccurately, or incompletely. One of their beliefs might be constrained in practice by another of their beliefs. One of their beliefs might be all beliefs should tolerate or entertain certain acts or speeches in contradiction to it within certain tolerances.
(January 21, 2014 at 3:08 pm)jg2014 Wrote: Since you have done nothing of the kind, I think I will continue to make that argument. If one values the reduction of suffering as one's primary ethical concern then one must not eat eat.
The fact that animals also suffer in nature in irrelevant. The suffering that would be reduced by not eating meat vastly overwhelms any suffering that would be caused by stopping people eating meat. Eating meat is cruel and should be stopped.
I've given you at least 3 examples. That you might deny what is plain to view does not help your case. I will repeat them now:
1) I could value reduction of suffering as primary concern, but only amongst humans.
2) I could value reduction of suffering over all as my parimary ethical concern, but regard deprivation of meat from those humans who desire it to be a greater suffering then the death of the animals that could have fed the desire. Therefore suffering intrisically increases overall if suffering amongst food animal decreases.
3) I could value reduction of suffering over all as my parimary ethical concern, but regard the dislocation required to implement a move away from meat diet to be the equivalent of greater suffering than death of animals required to maintain status quo. Therefore suffering increases overall in practice if suffering amongst food animal decreases
(January 21, 2014 at 3:08 pm)jg2014 Wrote:
I eat humane meat, so I am ready to be friend to most humans, and also am already a better friend to you then you realise or deserve in your grasping, domineering, reductio as absurduming, self-righteousness.