Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?

[James2014]

So, having shelter, food and water is worst than, no shelter(being in rain or snow) , scarce food(starving for days sometimes), little water(it they can find it)?

Stop trolling us, now you are just being ridiculousness.
You can't even get what you are arguing straight and command us to change to your way of thinking?

You are not responsible for what happens in the wild, you are however responsible for the brutal short lives that farmed animals live.

What troll backs up there argument with the amount of evidence that I have? Be it the studies showing that the capacitive bolt frequently fails to induce unconsciousness before an animals is killed, or the studies showing the capacity of animals to experiences episodic memory, or the ability of animals to have cognitive biases, or the effect of meat eating on health? All you have done is appealed to nature, tried to argue that animals are not conscious (without any evidence), tried to argue that humans have some non defined magical property that means only they are worthy of ethical consideration, before finally making a few unsuccessful attempts to argue against utilitarianism as an ethical system.

I have never tried to divert the argument, or insult anyone. Your suggestion that I am a troll is simply another ad hominem. Once again my argument....

1. Animals are conscious and can suffer
2. Causing suffering is wrong
3. Eating meat causes animals to suffer

Therefore eating meat is wrong

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What is the utility of the positive emotion of an animal?

It satisfies their need /desire to be happy and free from suffering.

You presume to speak for animals with whom you undoubtedly have profound philosophical conversations?

Firstly, the animals in the wild are amoral, so their experience is not ethically relevant.

Secondly, If we did not breed farm animals, then all we have are "potential" animals who might want to exist if they were alive. But as they don't exist they have no ethical value. Animals lives are however undoubtedly filled with suffering, and all that suffering would be prevented.

Thirdly even if we consider those farmed animals alive now, they would have had a better life living in an animal sanctuary, as they would never face the horror of what is done to them on farms. eg think of the distress caused when a calf is forcibly removed from its mother, or the recurrent mastitis they can get. And they would have a longer life too.

Eating meat is simply cruel.