Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?

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You are not responsible for what happens in the wild, you are however responsible for the brutal short lives that farmed animals live.

What troll backs up there argument with the amount of evidence that I have? Be it the studies showing that the capacitive bolt frequently fails to induce unconsciousness before an animals is killed, or the studies showing the capacity of animals to experiences episodic memory, or the ability of animals to have cognitive biases, or the effect of meat eating on health? All you have done is appealed to nature, tried to argue that animals are not conscious (without any evidence), tried to argue that humans have some non defined magical property that means only they are worthy of ethical consideration, before finally making a few unsuccessful attempts to argue against utilitarianism as an ethical system.

I have never tried to divert the argument, or insult anyone. Your suggestion that I am a troll is simply another ad hominem. Once again my argument....

1. Animals are conscious and can suffer
2. Causing suffering is wrong
3. Eating meat causes animals to suffer

Therefore eating meat is wrong

Your argument was about us eating meat because it is done in nature. Then went to suffering, which is also in nature.

tried to argue that animals are not conscious (without any evidence), tried to argue that humans have some non defined magical property that means only they are worthy of ethical consideration, before finally making a few unsuccessful attempts to argue against utilitarianism as an ethical system.

I never said animal were not conscious. I said that when they are dead they still have muscle reactions. I have watch many animals die. I've went to school for animal science. I watched a horse be euthanized, fall to the ground dead and still moving. Watch air escape its lungs, eyes react to touch. An hour after it die and had been cut opens it still reacted and kicked when its legs was touched. The muscles were still twitching.

So excuse me for actually knowing about animals instead of claiming I know more then a vet.

(now I'm late for work. I'll play your game again later)