Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?

[James2014]

You didn't even attempt to answer most of my questions - you completely ignored the issue of recyclables versus non-recyclables.

Firstly, your entire assumption is wrong. This has already been pointed out to you - the body synthesises many things that are still required in our diet. B12 for instance (we actually don't do it ourselves but bacteria in our guts do - yet we still require it in our diet).

Health experts recommend avoiding flour and sugar if you have high cholesterol. Two things that have nothing to do with meat itself. So you can shove your statement up your ass - "all the studies show"... really? One of the foods recommended by health professionals is fish - to lower cholesterol.

You need to stop with the half-informative bullshit because although there may be a grain of truth to some of the things you say, most of them are totally bullshit and are simply what you want to believe is true.

Look back over my posts, I don't think I've said a single time that vegetarian diet that includes eggs and dairy is unhealthy or unwise. Vegan diets are however very unwise for most people, if not all people. Compared to a healthy, balanced, vegetarian diet a vegan diet offers no improvements whatsoever.

Furthermore there is not a moral issue with eggs and dairy. I've listened to that much bullshit in this thread - I drive past a sheep paddock every day - no a single one of them looks upset or annoyed or distressed or sick or suffering. On my aunt's farm where she has horses and cattle - none of them - neither the horses or the cattle - look like any of those either. If an animal gets sick its needs are attended to - generally the local vet is called to come out. They all live off grass 90%+ of the time. She has one very fat horse which fattened herself up on grass - so I can assure you that they all have plenty to eat.

I have no clue as to how your mind is so warped. There is no moral issue with the meat that we eat. Nor the fish that are farmed or hunted - nor the kangaroo (or in Canada the seals) that are hunted.

Re the effect on the environment, plenty of synthetic fibers are also recyclable, while the environmental cost of livestock is huge, responsible for 18% of greenhouse gas emissions.

Re a comparison between b12 and cholesterol

Firstly B12 deficiency in the diet actually causes disease, there is no evidence however that cholesterol deficiency causes any illness.
Secondly the b12 that is made in the human gut is poorly absorbed, as it is made after the ilium, consists largely of inactive pseudo b12, and lastly most people do not have the bacteria required to be able to make it. The evidence of human production of B12 in the gut is poor.

Re cholesterol and fish, this is rather a special case becasuse although it has high levels of cholesterol, it also contains omega 3 fatty acids inhibit the production of LDL cholesterol in the liver, reducing the amount of bad cholesterol overall.

The fact is in all the many studies I have posted they all show veganism is beneficial to health. You talk about me not answering your questions but you are yet to provide any actual evidence of disease caused by a well balanced vegan diet which I have asked for repeatedly

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So you would just let the species go extinct?

No, I would be happy if a small number were kept in animal sanctuaries if they could not survive in the wild.

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I did try vegan once, and I had a similar experience to that others have mentioned in this thread-- quick weight loss, dizziness, etc. But that doesn't mean there's anything unhealthy about being vegan-- it means you have to eat much more carefully and plan a lot better.

Most likely this was caused by too few calories, but if you try to vegan again you should talk to a nutritionist and /or GP