RE: Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?
January 29, 2014 at 1:33 pm
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2014 at 2:22 pm by James2014.)
(January 29, 2014 at 11:02 am)Aractus Wrote: No they don't, I've pointed this out to you. You have not posted a single shred of credible evidence to show any health benefit in giving up eggs and/or dairy from a vegetarian diet. None whatsoever.
There are plenty of studies showing the health risks associated with dairy and eggs, however compared to a meat eating diet a vegetarian diet is significantly healthier and indeed protective against a number of diseases.
To start with here is one study showing that while a vegan diet reduced all cancer mortality, a vegetarian diet only reduced gastrointestinal cancers

(January 29, 2014 at 1:10 pm)StoryBook Wrote:(January 29, 2014 at 1:02 pm)jg2014 Wrote: Fundamentally I agree, one can be healthy or unhealthy with all these diets. However when one eats meat this increases exposure to health risks, which leads to disease. That's why on average vegans have reduced mortality compared to meat eatersYou like shoving things down people throats, don't you? Posting silly links about health isn't going to make me stop eating Oreo's(which are vegan) and other junk food. You know the sun can be bad for ones health.
You do realise I just said "one can be healthy or unhealthy with all these diets"? I absolutely agree, a poorly planned vegan diet is very unhealthy.
(January 29, 2014 at 11:02 am)Aractus Wrote: We do have the bacteria (all land animals do I believe) but it doesn't produce enough B12 for our bodies - we still need to eat it. Herbivores have much more of the bacteria and produce more since their digestive systems are very different to ours. Our bodies also produce proteins too you know, and still we need protein in our diets - and the same can be said for most nutrients that we're supposed to eat.
Our bodies produce proteins, but they do not produce essential amino acids, which is why we need them in our diet. Similarly our body produces many types of fat, including cholesterol, but we need the precursors of these to be able to produce them. In the case of cholesterol this is produced from acetyl-CoA, which is in turn created from either glucose metabolism or from the breakdown of other fatty acids. Like the requirement for essential amino acids, this is one of the many reason why we need glucose and and fat in our diet. We do not however require cholesterol
(January 29, 2014 at 10:55 am)KUSA Wrote:(January 29, 2014 at 9:00 am)jg2014 Wrote: many vegans who do not take supplements or fortified foods become anaemic from lack of b12.
A diet that requires supplements to work does not sound healthy.
I am sure if you took enough supplements you could live on a diet of dirt. Maybe you should try it and spare the lives of so many plants.
Firstly, the facts simply disagree with you, veganism is a very healthy diet and produces a number of health benefits.
Secondly plants don't suffer so killing them is of no ethical concern.
(January 29, 2014 at 1:10 pm)StoryBook Wrote: You like shoving things down people throats, don't you?
I am not shoving anything down your throat, as I said I would not advocate making meat eating illegal. This is a forum for debate, and I am debating. If you disagree with my argument, that's fine, but I wont stop thinking that eating meat is wrong and cruel, unless you provide me with a good reason why my argument is wrong
(January 29, 2014 at 12:57 pm)No_God Wrote: I was a vegetarian when I was pregnant. I popped out my son, started breast feeding, and literally made maybe an ounce of milk every 4 hours between both breasts. I was eating healthy as I could but something wasn't working. My physician told me to start eating meat and my milk increased. I don't know why. I must have been lacking SOMETHING in my diet.
I love animals but if my doctor says "try this"... I'm trying it.
If you don't mind me asking, did your doctor tell you that breastfeeding requires an increase in about 500 calories per day and that it is recommended that breastfeeding mums should be taking the appropriate supplements required for health?