So I got in trouble

[Mystical]

I went over your posts for oh 30 pages worth (Out of 208) last night as I avoided sleep and worries about a medical
procedure while genuinely looking over what you have to say as a whole. You do have some good points, and I'm not going to
lie--all of your posts aren't rampant with flagrancy like I had thought. The only time I see you on these forums, honestly,
is when you've said something so dumb I hear about it or walk in, in the middle of it.


This verse sums up a few of my following points
1 Peter 2:23
23 People insulted him, but he did not insult them back. He suffered, but he did not threaten anyone.
No, he let God take care of him. God is the one who judges rightly. 24 Christ carried our sins in his body on
the cross. He did this so that we would stop living for sin and live for what is right. By his wounds you were healed. 25
You were like sheep that went the wrong way. But now you have come back to the Shepherd and Protector of your lives.


In the 30 pgs I reviewed, a lot of which I did have the misfortune of witnessing, I noticed the following:



Rampant Hypocrisy

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Pride is an identifiable quantifiable sin, and therefore disqualifies this condition as a 'no true Scotsmen' fallacy.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-22189-po...#pid548889

Not making extraordinary claims about the events... no reason to doubt them... and many such events can be corroborated by
archeology, like the great fire of Rome...

Seriously? have you read any ancient text? ANYTHING they could not explain was attributed to some extraordinary claim.
especially Egyptian, Greeks and the ancient Chinese. Read how some of their battles were won, or how water was brought
to a given city or town, or how leaders came to power. What makes these 'claims' legit is context and how or what they
were trying to describe or depict.

Funny how the Bible to you is just, word for word, unerring and true. Extraordinary claims and all.
By what measure could you possibly know what is historically 'legit' in the bible, and what is not? Because it told you so?

If you loved someone with all of you being, and knew they loved you back with an even greater love and you got to sample that love, but were ripped apart by something you did or something you spent your life doing, and had to be eternally seperated from that person, The Seperation in of itself becomes the eternity of torture.

Oh the hypocracy, Drich! To you this is what you believe hell to be for humans; while humans believe this to be what god does to humans when it comes to their loved ones in his implementation of hell. By your own definition god tortures us even if we do make it to heaven..

Now I can honestly say With every ounce of my being I know God exists and works daily in my life. why? because of all of the things I have witnessed.[u] I can see and even with some marginal accuracy predict how things will play out.

Not because I am special or a prophet. i simply know the pattern God uses in my life and i look for it. When I see it I know to either knuckle down or move on. again because after 20+ years even a dullard like myself gets the carrot and the stick method.

Your own life is in itself the only testament to your unwavering belief in your god. Whereas your muslim neighbor or your buddhist neighbor both have the same unwaivering belief in their god for similar reasons.

I have a question for all of you christians; what if you're wrong?

then nothing, now let me ask what if you Atheists are Wrong?

Answer: There will be Hell to pay.

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calm down I was just having some fun with the idea that you are going to burn forever sheesh...
http://atheistforums.org/thread-23359-po...#pid584004

Time and time again, you seem to mock the idea that we'd all burn in hell for eternity and communicate your appreciation for this fact. We, do nothing to deserve such treatment; you don't know us, yet you'll condemn us. You'll seek us out online just to do so. Even after your Jesus said that only god would be the judge of where we all go.

I will say everything happens for a reason, and that the present is the product of the past. Just because one changes the past it does not mean he (Hitler) will have a better future. Prevent these conflicts could be the end of humanity.

If God simply know what will happen, does not mean He forced it to happen that way. The doctrine of predestination says just that. (that God wrote the movie.)

God on the other hand has this ablity, as such I believe Him to be obligated to effect change and to kill a person or an entire people IF it were to negitivly effect the course for the Plan of Human History. Say for instance A given people would eventually over throw and destroy the people who were meant to foster the Messiah, and subsequently eternal savlation for all humanity. For this reason I could see why a few babies needed to be smashed against the rocks. If indeed those babies would grow to be a race of hitlers, dooming all of Humanity to Hell.

The cognitive dissonance here astounds me.

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Heretical thinking, which I find to be refuted by fellow Christians all over the internet

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In our very first encounter one year ago, you said:

I am not here to save anyone, but to help you cement or change the choice you have made about God.

Doesn't seem to match up with what the bible says you should be doing.

We don't know that Jesus wasn't married for sure.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-23108-page-2.html

The mere fact that you call your god YHWH is heresy to a majority of Christian denominations, and quite strong cases have been made that you in fact are worshiping a polytheistic god.
Why, out of all the denominations and billions of people who share your faith, would I believe you're the one that has it all right?

You do know that is what Heaven is right? Eternal service to God... The alternitive is seperation, not torture.

I can only speak of what I know. The bible only says Hell is forever, it does not say 'we' will be.

Fire does not make Hell Hell. or Rather Hell Fire is not of flame. Hell Fire is panic or the emotional distress that one

experiences when they are consumed (as if being set on fire.) By the nothingness of seperation or the void of creation.

Seperation IS the punishment.
(Flame has nothing on Hell fire)

Revelations 21
8 But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all

liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Revelations 14 (NEW TESTAMENT)
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on

their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into

the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

11 And the smoke of their torment will rise [u]for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

Because in the bible there is a series of steps one must do to obtain a measure of the Holy Spirit. I completed those steps

and received my Measure of the Holy Spirit.

Absolutly. I can show an outside influence on my life, that carries me through all of my life's challenges. Meeting and physically speaking with a 'messenger' of God, and with in a 5 to 10 min talk, we discussed only things I knew an never tol anyone, my present situation, and what my future held. (Of which 85 to 90% has happened) to being carried through what was thought (at the time) to be an incurable disease, Helping my wife through a very serious Herion adiction when everyone washed their hands of us, to starting a business with 25K from someone I had met in passing (didn't speak with) one other time before he offered me the money, to growing that business every year in size to buy into a franchise, to being a partner on a corperate level with that brand, to R&D for that company to writting 2 patents and holding/retaining one US patent and looking at 2 more. to opening manifacturing facility of my patented ideas. To a direct relationship with God, that I can ask anything and know without doubt that I receive an answer to my question, petition or prayer.

Can you honestly say that all of your personal financial and business success was made honestly and solely through the 'works of god'? If not, I don't know how god would feel about you having it. I also don't think it's a very nice thing to do, as a person, to say your success is a result of your 'doing it right' whereas those who do do it right, have nothing.
Hell, even those who do nothing wrong at all, die hungry and sick, homeless and alone. It's just, enraging actually.
Then to have you say you have the ability to predict the future just sorta discredits you. Your self-fulfilling prophecy is not irrefutable proof for god, much less your specific god. Just a thought.

That is what the Holy Spirit does. Literally it is direct contact with God. It starts out small and snow balls quickly.

And yet, i fails on many people... and it leads many people towards the wrong gods... are you sure it's not some mental state of belief in the proxies... leading to belief in the stories?
Like, "I believe my parents for they have no reason to lie to me... they are also right about everything, so they must be right about this god business."

This only works if your 'parents' or whatever source of religion you have substituted for the Holy Spirit was indeed the Holy Spirit trying to mislead you.

Are you seriously suggesting that 2/3 of the world's population is being misled by the holy spirit itself?

Self explanatory.

Also if I know that my mum / sister / dad etc are in Hell burning why the fuck would I want to worship the guy causing that?

Your statement to me is akin to a 4 year old telling his parent who has taken away his 'binkie.' That He hates them and will alway hate them for the rest of his life no matter what just because they seperated him from his beloved binkie. "When I was a child I thought and acted like a child, but when I grew up I put away childish things."

In this life how this larvel state of existance how do you know what an who you will hold in high regaurd for the rest of eternity?

As much as the Christian fear of hell is still instilled in me - I would rather end up there knowing that

God lost someone he claims to have loved and to hurt him for it than to goto heaven and me knowing my loved ones aren't

there.

What makes you think God 'claims' to love everyone? If we are talking about the God of the bible then know the bible

specifically says God does NOT Love everyone. There is even a list of those in whom it says God hates.

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Backwards thinking, against progress of humanity

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I stand corrected. Drich, you're a monster. I'm glad the law is on our side.

Law be damned. Be Glad God doesn't want us hunting atheists down.
hock:

Yes Not all men were created equal under God.

What if one of these blokes time traveled to your door and raped your daughter? Would you let him pay you

fifty shekels and be on his way with her? After all, we've got to be understanding! He doesn't fucking know any better!

Your not even the first person to ask this.

again my recourses are limited to what the soceitial rules allow me in the way of a response. If he time traveled here he would be put in jail, If I time traveled there I'd take the money.

So would you if you were to be a law abiding citizen.

First of all, I'm interested to note that her rapist is her new husband before he's sold into slavery, meaning that the entire premise of your argument still fails to address the issue at hand, namely that you shouldn't fucking sell women to their rapists.

In today's soceity your right. in that one your wrong.

I reject the notion of entirely subjective morality. There are a number of things that are just bad, in that they never

serve the collective wellbeing of mankind. Rape and slavery being two of those.

Again morality is a meaningless standard.

Oh, fuck right off, you unbelievable wanker. My position is anti rapist,

Actually it's not. It's anti reperations for rape. Not once have you denounced rape. Only the payment of rape. Even if you had you have not supported any possiable deturrants to rape in that time, no supported any of the deturrants the bible provides for. Don't lie to yourself and try and take the high road, all youve done here is condemn Jews for doing their best to prevent rape.

anti slaver, and anti misogynist, fuck you very much. This is blatant poisoning of the well, and coming from an increasingly immoral little shit like you... well, you done pissed me off now.

Wow, at the self righteousness.
again not once have you said anything that seperates you from the conditioning your soceity has indoctrinated you with, which means your not one to 'think for yourself.'

<<<luckie wrote: [BOLD FACED LIE]>>>


your a sheep and you follow the flock. your self righteous rant proves this fact. Which means if you were born in Hitlers germany you'd be goose stepping jews into death camps, or if you were an OT jew you would do whatever your soceity told you was right.
You in yourself righteousness, and the veil of obliviousness you have pulled over your own eyes turns my stomach, so I guess we are even.

Again, you seem to imply that there's a context in which rape and slavery and the sale of women is acceptable.

Why rape a girl for 50 shekels when you can legally 'buy' a wife for a few shekels and live stock?

Because- and I need you to concentrate here- rape isn't always committed after careful consideration. People do it in the heat of the moment. Insane people do it. Criminals with no care for pros and cons do it. It still gets done, no matter the penalty. All this system does is ensure that when it does happen, whatever violent, crazy scum that does it, the poor victim is shackled to him for life.

Self explanatory to sane individuals

What I really wonder is how Drich's wife thinks about the fact that these rape victims were forcibly sold to their personal rapists. He mentions her as being a filter for his posts, but I'm thinking these particular responses slipped right by her.

Or you could try not attempting to convert each other and instead respect each other's beliefs (or lack thereof). You

know, like sane people do. But I guess the whole "you have to die inside" thing's a credible option too.

That's crap short sighted advice. What happenes when you add kids to the picture? One of the primary 'callings' for a Christian is to be united as man and wife and raise a faimly in worship of God. One of the primary 'callings' of an atheist is to point out to a christian how stupid he/she is for believeing in God.
There is no way around that, unless one changes. It is far more likly for the believer to be deconverted than for a hard hearted nonbeliever to be converted. Sherbert is going to take away the very thing that makes this woman who she currently is. The only question is, will he or she be able to live the next 50 years with the remaining husk.

My wife is a spiritualist, we've been together 23 years and have three kids.

What people believe is only a small part of who they are.

Usually when I ask something like "If god told you to kill your kid", I'm met with "he wouldn't".

how do you know I haven't?

I don't even know what that means.

Actually Drich when you mention we are only Good in comparison to other people what the heck does that mean someone who goes on several killing sprees throughout the Old Testament of Women and Innocent Children.

Can you prove they were 'innocent?' Or are you simply throwing out words to envoke an emotional response?

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Regular generalizations about all atheists with regards to their beliefs, leadingme to believe you have already supposed a reason for someones' non belief before you even met them which is intellectually dishonest.

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for example:

What I have found over the last 5 years of doing this 95% of self proclaimed atheists are atheist because they once believe in a legalistic God, which contradicts The bible description of God and the common sense view of God. So in light of these two contradictions one has grounds to dismiss their legalistic faith.
The foolishly proud part of this is, that they believe and never questioned the traditional legalistic view of God they had in the first place. They seem to assume to question whether or not that their former church had the 'correct' version of Christianity, or not would be an 'unforgivable sin.' So even though they claim not to believe in God they 'think' they completely understand Christianity. which ultimatly leads them to believe the no matter their understanding of God, what ever they understood, it was complete. So rather than risk hersey, they just dismissed their faith all together.

Xtians are famed liars, X-P.

and athiest aren't?

I'm not aware that they are, no. Christians, on the other hand, have well documented history working against them. Nice roll
on the floor though, very.. um.. what's the word?

Oh yeah, Prideful

I did not say sincerity was not apart of the equasion. i said sincerity was not the key. the key is knocking. Yes one has to be sincere, but in the story what gets the man in bed up and willing to give the neighbor what he wants? It was the man's persistant knocking. Something no one i have spoken with has done.

One has to be willing to knock until he gets what he/she is seeking. Every one of you who says he has A/S/K has put a time

limit on their efforts. I have been intentionally A/S/K'ing for 20 years and I still knock for more. Most of you believe growing up in the church and doing church stuff is the same thing, so when you do honestly ask or seek for a week or two and get nothing you believe there is no God.

:face-palm:

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Prideful/Arrogant Behaviour or beliefs in the name of your god

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Your God sounds like an asshole there Drich.

only to those He does not like.

Arrogance/Nonpologies

Again my apology was to address any unintentional hurt feelings. Not to off set intentionally 'hurt feelings.'

<<<luckie wrote:[next breath]>>>

Because I am (without the law) here with people who live without the law. (but not really I am still ruled by Christ) Which is why I made the commitment to stop the nick naming. NOT because nick naming is a sin, but because it was becoming a source of personal pride for me. As a result some feelings may have been hurt.

<<<luckie wrote:[pride being an identifyable sin according to you]>>>

Again I have identified and corrected where I or rather my wife saw me as being out of line.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-22693-po...#pid565936

I will admit I can be a bit arrogant especially when you guys deliver it to me by the dump truck load. [/b]I have found that if I word something too simply and seemingly contray to common belief, (the arrogance inherrit with someone who is willing to tell a religious person there is no God) will have that person zealously seek to correct me.

I do this so I can say if you do not like how i speak to you, then maybe you should look at how you present yourselves to me.

<<<luckie wrote: [I thought you were unintentionally hurting feelings, No?]>>>

In the end I truly believe that a truly arrogant man would seek to be better than everyone else around him. Because he thinks himself better than everyone else he will act better. I have taken the words of Paul to Heart.. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as
o win those not having the law.

1 Peter 2:23
23 People insulted him, but he did not insult them back. He suffered, but he did not threaten anyone. No, he let God take care of him.[/i] God is the one who judges rightly.[/i] 24 Christ carried our sins in his body on the cross. He did this so that we would stop living for sin and live for what is right. By his wounds you were healed. 25

You were like sheep that went the wrong way. But now you have come back to the Shepherd and Protector of your lives.

1 Peter 5:5

You younger men, likewise, be subject to your elders; and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another,

for GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.

(I don't think you adequately explained this away, bud)

You are a theist here in an atheist forum, telling us we're going to [your god's] hell, and when we tell you off, you still justify reciprocation as a mode of operation befitting a godly man.

To: KSA
http://atheistforums.org/thread-22398-po...#pid566265

Sorry -thommmmm..mm- This is where I get to show you, that your a (Insert personally insulting remark that shows a person in ablity to think for himself here.) The bible makes claims for any new potential believer, it takes a small amount of faith to take up and impliment said claims, the final result (the full fillment of those claims) makes what the bible says

"True/Truth."

My 'faith' (if you can call it faith anymore) is based on all that I have seen and experienced. God has taken an illerate god hating monster, and has given me wisdom, oppertunity, wealth and a life that is/was well beyond my ablities. I can't talk about everything now as there is still things in the works, but afterwards (maybe as soon as the spring Lord willing) I
will be happy to share and even fly any established interactive fence sitter of this forum down to Orlando for a weekend to
see what God has done for me. You can have Saturday to do whatever, but be ready to goto Chruch on sunday, afterward we will

have lunch and a tour of what God has simply given me.

Ooh! Fly me! Then show me your proof. Oh wait you can't, and you expect me to take your word for it that you did something right and what I did in my A/S/King was wrong.

Don't worry, I can't fly anyways. Too sick. Apparently even with the threat of death to motivate me to A/S/K sincerely, and whole heartedly, and with every fiber of my being for 20 some odd years, I just wasn't righteous enough in how I did things to get what it is you have! You want me to take your word for it that it works based on your experience, when in my
experience it didn't work and you dismiss me with all the other 'atheists'. Despite the fact that you can't possibly know if I A/S/Kd correctly or not.

I'm not a title, I'm a person. You seem to forget that sometimes.. The first time we met, actually. You threw me around like I'd been through a rumble before, anticipating moves I'd never make and treating me like scum by misrepresenting what I said again and again. It was dishonest. You were, my first forum conversation in my life.

This is the part where I get to call you stupid or obstinate for not reading the defination of agape' even after telling you reading was manditory to continue this conversation.
If you weren't being stupid or obstinate you would have noted Agape' is not a reciproical form of Love. Maybe this time if you choose to respond READ THE DEFINATION OF AGAPE!

I read it.

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More Contradictions:

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[quote='Kitanetos' pid='547246' dateline='1385053233']

Although I am getting Rid of my Christianity Belief - Who wants a God who created Hell?!

Ooo Ooo I do I do!!! Why? Because I don't want to have to mix it up with those hate, murder and kill people who think as I do.

What were you Johovah wittness or mormon?

The book of Revelation says there will be 144K Jews who will goto Heaven 12K from each tribe. Christ says that anyone (non-jew/gentile/you) who 'believes' in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.

So if they believe as you do, they get everlasting life with you. Oh that is unless they're true christians, not just sincere ones, and unless you don't want to mix with them. Because you totally won't be in heaven with murderers, nope.

I told cinny that Mat 7 Jesus himself make the distinction between a 'True believer' and a sincere believer. I even went so far as to say only Christ can identify a true believer. Evidently that was not enough to lets look at the actual passage. 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in
heaven. (Here Jesus identifies those who sincerly believe, for look at all thay have supposedly done in the name of Christ)22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
In Verse 23 we clearly see they were not 'True Believers' (cinny's term) As Christ clearly says He never knew them.

So again to tie all of this together as per the great works of the 'sincere believer' there are those who truly believe in what they are doing is for God, and Yet as per verse 23 Christ clearly says He never knew them.
Which means there is a distinct division between a 'sincere believer' and a 'True believer.'

And yet the bible says that all that believe in Christ as gods son shall not perish but have eternal life.

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is

accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in

the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew

5:18-19 RSV)
You do know being 'least in the kingdom' is the coveted position here right?
(Mat 20:16)

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Also Ridicule is your forte, here's one example of many, many many..

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To: KSA
http://atheistforums.org/thread-22398-po...#pid566265
a few posts later

Is english your first language?

Oh, and how was church last sunday?

Your numerous requests of how church was for KSA last sunday are obviously nawt in good faith because you accompany them with ridicule as seen above.

Denegration of others/Plain out rudeness in the midst of someone genuinely trying to speak to you

par example:

I as you can see did not ignore anything. I just did not baby step you

through the whole line of thought. For some reason I skiped a step, and thought you could still see it.

and then there's this..
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FUNNY:

Secondly,

Christians make up opinions of hell. Literally it says torments (e.g. Undesirable) it does not say torture with a dagger up your ass.

Who sai.. What church.. were did you get the idea that Hell is being poke in the ass with a dagger?

MAKING FUN OF

Definition: to make fun of somebody/something also poke fun at somebody/something
to make a joke about someone or something in an unkind way

Love is about reciprocation, something which does not exist between the believer and the fictional deity.

ah, no wrong again spicolli.

Well DICKY (as long as we're using nicknames now), at least you admitted that what you spew out of your mouth is filthy unfounded apologetic excuses.
You're almost as vile and nauseating as that phony god you serve.

I like the new nick name SINNY, I think it highlights the fact that I'm [b]getting under your skin.[/b]

http://atheistforums.org/thread-22249-po...#pid555344

Sorry alpo, If your civility and intergrity can be given away so cheaply i don't want it. Maybe you should take a break from all of this for a while, gather up yourself respect, and put it all back together. I'll be here when you get back.

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What does he need a butthole for?

I believe he does, but the bible does not call it a butt hole. It uses a different word that is really hard to pronounce: là bạn điên

Meaning: là bạn điên is the word for butthole or turd...
[/u]

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(Someone tell him i am making fun of his screen name, before he asks another stupid question.)

Self admittedly being rough on people because of some conspiratorically conceived notions that you have despite being told otherwise at every turn, then turning around and doing it again.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-22693-po...#pid565936

That said I know i am a little harder on some of you. Brakeman, and xpastor come to mind Why? because I have caught brakeman lying several times and I am pretty sure xpastor is. (Because how could an real/paid pastor be so clueless about the basics of christianity?) Either the good 'pastor' is intentionally misrepersenting Christianity, Is a complete fraud, or was just outright a bad pastor. I see the effort he puts into some of his posts and i believe if he put in 1/2 the effort into his duties as a pastor as he does here he wouldn't have been as incomentant as he is showing himself to be. Which brings us back to he is either intentionally misrepersenting Christianity or he is lying about being a pastor.

Don't all your conspiracy theories get tiring for that brain of yours?

No -- you are the one who is attempting to make a distention between a "true believer" and a "sincere believer" where there is none.

I love it when you guys so boldly and confidently over step. especially when I have already quoted something or

leave a link.

Why do you love it, so? Could it be that you enjoy trouncing on us non-believers because you *shocked voice like it?

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Intrinistically unsound thinking

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I asked you how much for your family. Specifically, how much for your wife and daughter? I have cash and an agenda.

You do know in this soceity selling people is not legal. That said, if we live in the slavery soceity I would say make an

offer.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-22220-po...#pid549766

Not a hard choice to make. God set up a soceity that allowed for slavery, and condemned homosexuality. Therefore slavery is

not as bad as homosexuality. The fact that soceity says that your intolerance should be reversed only speaks to declining

'morality' in soceity.

Whether that makes me a slave, slave owner or none of the above if we were forced to pick one of the two societies I will

pick slavery.

Slavery is not intrinsically bad. It is what man does with slavery that makes it evil..

So it's ok to take a rod and beat your kids/slaves as long as they don't die within 2 days????


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It depends on what they did.

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nonsensical ideas held purely from a more primitive past that are held to simply because they're in a book. If that book

told you to kill unbelieving family members, you'd think it would be moral to do... oh wait, it does. I hope no kids of your

become an atheist or non-Christian...

There is a series of beating that are allowed before death is mandatory. If the beatings are done right then death can be

averted in most cases. :dead horse:

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Then there's the A/S/K thing which no one can ever seem to surmount because you just call them a non-True Believer. That's

just a pantload, gotta tell ya

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I did not say sincerity was not apart of the equasion. i said sincerity was not the key. the key is knocking. Yes one has to

be sincere, but in the story what gets the man in bed up and willing to give the neighbor what he wants? It was the man's

persistant knocking. Something no one i have spoken with has done.

One has to be willing to knock until he gets what he/she is seeking. Every one of you who says he has A/S/K has put a time

limit on their efforts. I have been intentionally A/S/K'ing for 20 years and I still knock for more. Most of you

believe growing up in the church and doing church stuff is the same thing, so when you do honestly ask or seek for a week or

two and get nothing you believe there is no God.


What if your unbelief was apart of the answer to your prayer? In that God has to wipe away all of the religious non biblical

crap we clutter our hearts with and then rebuild solid biblically based theology in us so we can see hear and interact with

Him.. But the thing is, inorder to get from religious christianity to biblical Christianity one must see how religious

christianity fails, and it is only through knocking that we can build the structure that we need to get to God. Because

knocking will take that sincere heart and deliver it to the stablity needed to hear and work with the holy Spirit.

But when you Ask and seek but do not knock you only get 1/2 of the prayer answered. Your false understanding of God is taken

away but you do not rebuild

So again the Key to A/S/K is the knocking not one's sincerity



If your goal is to complete a 1000 peice puzzle and you work on it for 3 days, but do not finish, is the puzzle picture

complete? "Do you see a problem with that?" Of course not, why? because you did not finish the puzzle no matter how many

days you worked on it. what will it take to finish the picture? is there a certain amount of time all should be complete?

no, it takes what it takes. some may get the picture sooner than others, but in the end if you quit before the puzzle is

complete then your picture will be incomplete no matter how much time you worked on it.

Like wise how many day can one put on building a bridge between themselves and God? If you do not finish this bridge will

you be able to cross it? no. When can one cross a bridge? When the gap is completely span. How long will this take? How big

is the gap between you and God? The larger the gap the longer this process will take. So who can say he has spent enough

time on their 'bridge' if the bridge is not complete?


That is not what I said. Because I know the medthod in which God answers A/S/K, is not by giving us what we expect.

<<<luckie wrote [oh no? I thought you based your whole unwaivering belief upon what god's given you and shown you, that you know what to expect in the future, and even said all your prayers are "ALWAYS" answered (even praying we get cancer or aids)]>>>


Why? Because we ALL have a bad understanding of God, and if God were to give us what we are looking for in the way we are

looking for it, it would only reinforce our misunderstanding of God. God does not want us to have this dark ages

understanding of Him.

All of it seems a bit rich for me, sorry.

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