Mentally retarded people worth $2 dollars per hour

[Darth]

Paint me a picture of a person whose work would be worth $2 an hour.

THAT was the question. Funny how this is the title of the thread though: "Mentally retarded people worth $2 dollars per hour"

These guys obviously don't give a shit about the poor. Wanting to get rid of the minimum wage, despite that raising the wage would help the economy by allowing people to spend more. Plus generally trying to restrict social aid systems like welfare and food stamps.

Grow up. He's not a moustache twirling, finger steepling cartoon villain, few people are. That's what I hate about debating economics with people. "I would like a reduction in, if not complete abolition of, the minimum wage" "Seriously?????? wow, just wow, you're an evil person who wants to hurt the poor". No, I think the minimum wage hurts the poor. We're coming at this mostly from different ideas of how the world works, not completely different ideas of morality where my side thinks it's ok to grind the poor into paste if it would but make us an extra penny. Debating with people who think you are malevolent rather than simply mistaken is beyond frustrating, and ultimately futile. It couldn't possibly be that some people think these programs in their current form are harmful, could it.

Excuse me but these fuckers are trying to do away with food stamps because they dislike any taxation which goes to help people instead of pay off the military-industrial complex and you think they'd let their tea bagging scumbags in congress vote for something like that? Seriously????

These are people who think that low-skilled workers should be allowed to starve to death. You need to figure that out first.

You too. Grow up.

All work of value is of equal value because any product is equally dependent on all facets of its generation for its output.

Huh, what? Mind expanding on this?

To deliberately misrepresent this, as is done by those who unethically profiteer from low wages, is to commit a crime.

Not yet it isn't, comrade. And again, we're not having weekly Bourgeoisie/patriarchy/vast right wing conspiracy/moustache-twirlers get togethers where we plan how to maintain and propagate the false consciousness among the (insert victim class here). I goggled "all work of value is of equal value…" because it seemed fishy, no results. I then cropped it to just "all work of value is of equal value", which produced one hit. Atheistforums.org. A post of yours in this thread in particular: https://atheistforums.org/thread-22220-page-16.html

No it doesn't. That's a fallacy spread by those who have a vested interest in the continuation of free-market capitalism.

Rats, he's onto us!

Also, those who understand labour principles know that all work of value is of equal value.

As I clearly doesn't understand labour principles (or I am trying to mislead, mwuhoohahahahaha), mind explaining? Searching for "all work is of equal value" brings up a tonne of hits, but you're little qualifier seems unique.

Now, onto the main point. He was trying very hard to be PC as you can see from the full quote (a mistake to be sure, just say it, the stumbling and hesitancy reveals a weakness. He's on hostile territory on that show already, why compound the problem by playing by their rules? May as well just bend over). The meaning isn't PC, so why bother trying to coat it in the PC jargon of the day?

Some people aren't going to be very productive due to their disabilities. Producing less than the minimum wage even. It's not a nice truth, but reality isn't pretty.

People with disabilities are advertised by the Australian government's Jobaccess service as "as low as 13 per cent of the cost of the other employees." http://www.jobaccess.gov.au/employers/be...s_benefits
The supported wage system http://www.jobaccess.gov.au/Employers/Fi...age_System is the program that would seem to allow for this. (actually one of a couple of programs, there are other incentives).
Looking at the pay bands, they go all the way down to 10%. if the persons productivity is only 10% of their able bodied and minded peers, then the employer only has to pay that (government makes up the rest, like somebody in this thread was suggesting they do for everybody). Lets face it, for the quite mentally handicapped, these are already minimum wage jobs that they are applying for. So yes, the system allows for people 1/10th as productive as people on minimum wage ($16.37), so $1.64 (less in american dollars).

This is how the world already works (i'm going to assume most places have similar programs). Employers are paying less than minimum wage to disabled people whose disability means they are less productive.

http://www.fairwork.gov.au/employment/em...ility.aspx

Now, you can argue that they should still be paid (by somebody) the minimum wage, but somebody is going to have to pick up the slack. To say that somebody's actual work is only worth (x) amount, even if that amount happens to be less than the minimum wage, hardly makes one a member of the national socialist german worker's party (ooooh, I just godwined the thread with both commie and nazi references, like a boss)