Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?

[bennyboy]

Yet, these self same "avengers" of the rights of animals are quite happy to devastate the "natural world" by inflicting their desire to have whole forests raised and plant ecosystems annihilated to grow their food? Further, these self same "friends of the earth" are extatic over the promulgation of the petro-chemical industry (and the mess it makes) and big pharma (the 'health' pill industry) and then lay "claim" that what they are supporting is life on this planet?

Strawman of the century, dude.

Nobody ever said any of those things you just said.

Amazing is all I can say. How a sub-species can take itself so seriously as to think it is beyond the ecosystems of this planet is the height of arrogance and ignorance in my opinion.

. . . and now you are outraged by your own strawman.

Just because we don't understand how the plant kingdom thinks and feels, it is ok to murder rape and pillage that Kingdom to feed the self righteous but hey don't you dare lay a finger on the animalia kingdom especially that of the order mammalia for a food source.

. . . followed by an appeal to ignorance. We know that animals suffer; we do not know that plants suffer.

In any case, since all meat food is derived from plant foods, then the imaginary suffering you are strawmanning up for your rhetorical outrage is still unavoidable. At best, we choose between (plant suffering) and (plant + animal suffering), and the vegetarian diet still involves less suffering.

Back to ecosystems: your strawman is diametrically opposite to the actual opinions of almost every vegetarian. Most are firmly against "big-pharm," and will choose natural herbal supplements. Most are against petrochemicals, and will choose hemp or other natural fibers.

Your argument is as full of shit as the following: "I'm OUTRAGED, I tell you, by the attitudes of all you meat eaters, who insist that animals suffer as much as possible. You are ecstatic about the destruction of the rain forest. You deliberately let deer species survive, because you want to maximize suffering in the world."

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Also I work on a farm. Cows are adorable. I also went to an agriculture college and now I'm studying to be a veterinary technician. I do love animals, i cried watching a horse I didn't know be euthanized but death is a part of life. Humans evolved off of eating meat. When are omnivores, not herbivores or even carnivore. Our body's are designed to eat BOTH meat and veggies. I'm not going to go against my body's cravings because you say so.

We evolved with male instincts to impregnate many females. However, we deny these instincts, because when we follow them it often brings harm. We evolved with instincts to fight-- for the most part, we are raised to deny these as well, often at the risk of punishment of law. We evolved the ability to grow very long head and face hair, but in most countries, both men and women shave.

We did not evolve with the need for giant buildings, cars, or computers. In all cases, human invention involves molding its environment to fulfill a vision of a world more perfect than the rest of nature. Your vision involves maximizing Big Mac availability. Mine involves minimizing suffering. Both are achievable, but I prefer my vision of the world to yours, since it's based on an ideal, rather than on the maximal fulfillment of the pleasure centers in the brain.