Just ugh!

[pineapplebunnybounce]

I'm sure statistically speaking you will not be right. Because from my perspective, guys tend to date girls who are no good for them, leaving the good ones behind.

I think it works both ways, here. I mean, have you ever watched Jersey Shore? Both genders on there, guys and girls, are complete douchebags, but they're constantly getting laid. And it's worth exploring why that happens, both by examinging other traits the douchebags may have that can be attractive or in looking at other sociological factors that effect all of us.

I think, for example, jerks can have more romantic/sexual success because they're willing to lie to manipulate their partner. So, for example, one of my co-workers could admit to having a less-than-stellar telephone-survey job. He's going to have a more difficult time getting women than, say, someone who has the same job but does an effective job at telling their partner that they have a more spectacular job. I think it's also worth looking at, it's easier to get romantic/sexual success if you can move from one partner to the next easily; I mean, shoot enough arrows into the air and one of them is bound to hit, right? Compare that to people who form emotional bonds more easily and quickly, and it's hard for them to really play the field (although, admittedly, it's probably better for everone if you can find a nice medium in there).

So, truth be told, it's a complex issue. Just giving it a blanket label of 'misogyny' anytime someone mentions the friendzone, that's just lazy.

Yea, relationships are too complex to categorize. Jersey Shore is different (never watched it), but if it's a reality tv show, it's not any accurate representation of real life, lol. A portion of guys I know would go off with girls who are either incredibly high maintenance (requiring them to check in every so often) or incredibly expensive. It may seem like he's not very smart, but what if he likes her? Bystanders are just that, bystanders. He may complain about not having enough money all the time, but that doesn't mean someone else may be better for him, he like who he likes.

I don't think I said friendzone is a creation of misogyny at all. In fact I think I quite clearly said that if a girl does the equivalent she'll be the asshole not the guy. Being friends with someone and then getting mad when that you don't get promoted to bf or gf is not a very smart move, it certainly isn't anyone's fault but your own. And I maintain that it is entitlement, it's because you think putting in the work should get you the prize and you feel like it's being denied. It doesn't work like that, it's not a transaction, it's a relationship.