(March 13, 2010 at 8:18 am)Pippy Wrote: "I can't imagine how natural processes could develop the world, so it must have been God!
Keep your arguments from ignorance to yourself."
Please re-read that point. I didn't say that god must exist out of ignorance. The argument is not that I myself don't understand where reality came from. The argument is that I know it is not possible for the reality we understand to be a matter of chance.
That would be an argument from ignorance. How do you know something is not possible to have been brought about through natural processes? "Matter of chance" is a red herring, as everything in life is subject to chance. The actual argument is made when you can't accept a natural process occurring by any other means but some God that magically solves everything.
Again, how do you know it is not possible?
(March 13, 2010 at 8:18 am)Pippy Wrote: It is not an argument about what I do not know, but knowledge we all have access to. Great thinkers and scientists have made many a quotable about the chances of random change (ergo macro-evolution) being able to create the systems we can see being nil. The argument for god based on science and knowledge instead of ignorance and dogma is stonger now that it's ever been. The more we learn, the greater She is. This is not an argument from ignorance. It is based on knowledge, not the lack of knowledge.
LOL! This whole time I thought you were talking about something else. You want to use the tired argument that macro evolution isn't possible?
Let's do this once an do it right, shall we?
Evolution is not random chance. It is quite the opposite. It is through the process of natural selection that things evolve and retain survivability. Over 99 percent of ALL living things EVER have gone extinct. If this is a design, it is an extremely inefficient one.
I suggest you read up a bit, as scientists saying evolutionary development is not possible probably aren't the best in their field

The only lack of knowledge here is from your side.
(March 13, 2010 at 8:18 am)Pippy Wrote: I appreciate everything else you took the time to say. Sure, you can frame porn as just someone trying to make a buck. But I think it is simplifying it.
No, it's calling a spade a spade. It's a billion dollar a year industry. It's not that way by accident.
(March 13, 2010 at 8:18 am)Pippy Wrote: Are people who make and sell illegal drugs just entrepreneurs?
Yes. They just make money illegally. Same as those who sold moonshine during prohibition.
(March 13, 2010 at 8:18 am)Pippy Wrote: There's a market for child sex slaves. Sometimes we need to make a moral judgment on the product or service, if that thing being sold is itself immoral.
If you can't see a difference between consentual sex between two adults and pedophilia, then I don't know what else to say. The sex slave trade is not anything like a legal prostitution trade. You can't compare the bunny ranch with Thai child sex slaves. It's like comparing plantation slaves in the 18th century with unionized domestic workers today.
(March 13, 2010 at 8:18 am)Pippy Wrote: Porn counts as a drug, look it up. The way it interacts with you bio chemical states. That is why it leads to grosser and grosser videos. Not curiosity, but the darker side of that concept. Desensitization and a high or rush of the pictures.
Adrenaline also counts as a drug. So does cough syrup and aspirin. I said before, too much of anything can be a bad thing. There are people who abuse porn, but there are also people that abuse cough syrup. Moderation is key. Why is desensitizing a bad thing? Human curiosity leads people to traverse the "worst" videos out there, not that porn somehow makes you inherently sexually deviant. It can bring fetishes to light, but it doesn't make you sub-human.
(March 13, 2010 at 8:18 am)Pippy Wrote: Porn is not conforming to customers demands, it is like music. It makes it's shit, and customers learn to demand it. Show me some kid who all his life only wanted to see a girl take something out of her rectum and put it in her mouth. I don't believe it is even possible to think that thought without someone first putting it in your head.
Another argument from personal incredulity. Please stop doing this.
(March 13, 2010 at 8:18 am)Pippy Wrote: I truly think it is a function of the porn itself. The slippery slope...
Feel free to like it, and defend it. I respect your right to do whatever you want with your mind, your time, your energy. But I hate porn. One day every girl will have a father that tells her "you deserve better", and no girls will be stupid enough to go into the business. You guys have been hoodwinked into believing you are nothing more than monkeys. Keep you animal nature, but allow me to act as I see fit. I really don't mean to sound so full of myself, but I can't stress how much it offends me, porn.
Thanks.
One day we will all think the same way without dissent. We will all have objective moral standards and those who choose to go against that standard will be heavily chastised.
You're putting porn, sex slave trade and sexual depravity in the same sentence, and they are mutually exclusive concepts. It offends you, and I'm wondering what happened in your life to make you detest anything sexual.