(February 4, 2014 at 5:35 pm)futilethewinds Wrote:(February 4, 2014 at 8:19 am)Aractus Wrote: It's not trolling since it is difficult to satisfy our taste buds with a vegan diet. You can kick up the biggest fuss you like, but them's the facts.Wrong. One of the most common causes of death in developed countries is heart attack or stroke. They are the same thing, really, caused by a buildup of animal fat blocking up one or more arteries. If one never consumes animal fat, they can never have a heart attack or stroke. That's a huge health benefit.
No ancient society has ever thrived on a vegan or vegetarian diet - despite the fact that you and the other vegans here keep claiming that it's easier, cheaper and more efficient to get our nutrition without meat. Think about that for a second. For all the diseases that meat may have brought when it was less hygienic than it is today, and all the other disadvantages to it, it had to still have advantages that outweighed the costs or otherwise we'd have ancient societies that thrived without any meat!
Vegans in fact know that meat is delicious, and that's why much of the processed vegan food they eat has MSG's and artificial flavours added (and consequently carcinogens) - you wouldn't need to add these if the flavour obtained purely from unprocessed vegan foods was enough to satisfy our taste buds. That's cheating. And it's really not healthy either. So much for your cancer-causing pseudo-meat patties.
So I'll say this once again - vegetarian diets can be healthy. But if you're replacing meat with processed foods containing MSG then you're aren't better off than you were eating meat, you're worse off.
There is considerable evidence that artery fat build up is a symptom of scaring of arterial wall resulting from hidden arterial infections. It would seem preventing or promptly detecting and treating arterial infection is a less intrusive way of dealing with the issue than whole sale revision of diet.