RE: Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?
February 4, 2014 at 8:19 pm
(This post was last modified: February 4, 2014 at 8:23 pm by Aractus.)
(February 4, 2014 at 3:10 pm)jg2014 Wrote: When it comes to grass fed beef, yes it will be better for the animals and it will not entail wasteful use of crops. However the animals will grow considerably slower, reducing productivity, and increasing the amount of methane and carbon dioxide production from the animals as they digest food. Additionally as the land becomes increasingly marginal, this will dramatically increase the amount of energy used to herd the animals, which will have to be dispersed over a large area. All this means that this can in fact INCREASE the amount of greenhouse gasses emitted by grass fed beef compared to feedlot fed.Most Australian beef is primarily grass-fed, so I don't know why we're talking in terms of conjecture "if they're grass fed they grow slower" etc, no they grow "less" not "slower", the weight of the animal is reduced at the time of slaughter. This is why most cattle (about 80%) is actually fattened on grain. But it's a supplement to their diet, so yes if the cattle were to stop eating grass entirely it would take 7 pounds of feed to produce each additional pound of meat, but this is not the case when they continue eating grass as it is. So 80% of Cattle raised for beef eat grass and some grain, and 20% eat only grass. I'm not aware that we have any cattle that is fed grain exclusively.
Quote:Your solution is more factory farming? You can't be serious.
Indeed as this study comparing grass-fed vs feedlot cattle says, grass-fed beef is so much worse for the environment that "increasing proportion of lot-fed beef in Australia is favourable, since this production system generates lower total GHG emissions than grass-fed production; the additional effort in producing and transporting feeds is effectively offset by the increased efficiency of meat production in feedlots."
Cattle in feedlots are still raised on traditional farms before being sent ot the feedlot you know.
(February 4, 2014 at 5:35 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: If one never consumes animal fat, they can never have a heart attack or stroke.
Well I suppose don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion then?
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke