Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?

[bennyboy]

What I am saying is rushing onto what is possible now is rash if there is good reason to think doing what can be possible with comparatively little developmental risk promise to be much more economical ethical and nutritious.

You ethics is not mine. Your use of the word nutritious is nothing but a subterfuge to help impose your personal infantile squeamishness upon others.

So please don't rewrite my posts for me again.

What you're saying about taking the easy way out applies equally to being vegetarian or meat-eating. There's a simple solution for reducing heart attack and stroke risk: moderate fatty foods, especially red meat. But you want to subject people to regular testing, potential medical treatment, etc. as a way to just keep eating the same foods. There's no reason for it.

As for nutrition, I'm saying that many of the dietary issues with being vegetarian are solved easily enough-- they are not even very challenging. We've already got fortified wheat, cereal, and milk. Instead of insisting that certain vitamins can only be gotten from meat, we could guarantee that people of ANY dietary choice could get all the nutrition they need.

So please accept that when I rewrite your post, it's because what you've just said about going vegetarian applies equally to your suggested medical solution to a problem that already has easy solutions.

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The problem isn't that it's formed to look like meat, but rather that it's formed to taste like meat. To achieve this the foods are usually high in salt and contain msg.

What can I say except ewww. I also would argue that at least these burgers would likely be no more healthy than natural meat.

However, that's seriously anecdotal. I've had plenty of vegetarian/vegan food that doesn't have additives. For me, it again comes down to mass-production: big companies trying to get products to survive longer on the shelves, and making the foods less healthy in the process.

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Right now, there's a simple solution: eat healthy foods, with not much red meat, and exercise. I'm not sure how you're going to show us a better solution than that.

The world mostly do not work well when operating on the principle of imposing some people's half baked ideas of better solutions upon others by fiat. The world works better on the principle being responsible for the cost of your personal choice upon other humans.

I don't care if eating meat is a better or worse solution than any other in your opinion. If it is my solution of choice, then so long as I pay my share of the cost of that solution to other humans, then it is none of your business what my choice of solution is.

This is a noble sentiment, and who knows? it may be true in your case. But over the whole population, having a high amount of obesity leads to a medical burden that ends up being shouldered by the society as a whole. Anyone who willingly engages in practices that are unhealthy to himself is indirectly posing a burden on others, whether he thinks he's paying his fair share of taxes, or insurance premiums, or whatever.

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If one never consumes animal fat, they can never have a heart attack or stroke.

Well I suppose don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion then?

Yeah, I agree with this. For sure, vegetarians can have heart attacks or strokes, especially if they have dietary deficiencies that they may be unaware of, or if what they are eating affects blood pressure.

That being said, you have to go with the numbers (which I don't have). I'm pretty sure that a 300-lb hamburger eater has a greater risk of heart or stroke risk than a 150-lb vegetarian.