Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?

[James2014]

JG, soy is toxic to humans and other animals. It's not a natural product at all and I don't know why you're appealing to it.

Furthermore, those with allergies against soy products as I've mentioned earlier cannot eat (almost) any processed foods - 1. because soy is added to most processed foods and 2. because it doesn't have to be labelled and they have to make the assumption that unless otherwise stated it contains soy.

So no, you cannot use soy as an example because you only find it in processed foods and if you ate it raw you'd be sick.

Can you give me a guarantee that soy is safe or healthy? No you can't. No one can. We might well find in the years to come that soy is looked down upon as a filthy carcinogen, the fact of the matter is that at the moment ignorance is bliss and just like the tobacco industry, the food industry isn't exactly wanting to find out that soy is a bad product.

If you have an ethical responsibility when it comes to food it is to: eat healthy. All other considerations, environmental, animal welfare, etc, are secondary concerns nothing should come before your own health when it comes to food.

I used soy as an example because it proves you are wrong. There are however other foods that contain complete protein, such as quinoa. Again, here is the amino acid profile, which amino acids in quinoa are lacking?

Soy is not toxic, and while concerns have been raised about psuedo - estrogens in soy, these same compounds have been shown to be protective against cancer and there is no evidence they actually cause harm in people.. That is why soy consumption has been associated with reduced all cause mortality. . People in Okinawa have a huge soya consumption and they as a population are some of the longest lived people on earth. The evidence that soy is harmful to people is severely lacking, whereas the evidence that meat is harmful is overwhelming. I have no idea what a 'natural' product is, but since it is abundantly clear you fail to understand why appealing to nature is a falacy, I wont labour the point. As for eating raw soy making one sick, eating raw potatoes would make one sick. Eating raw meat would make people sick. We invented cooking for exactly this reason , it destroys toxins and bacteria and increases the available energy content in food. So what?

I cant guarantee that soy is not harmful, one could be allergic for example, but there are alternatives eg quinoa or a mx of grains and pulses. For example eating Brown Rice, which is slightly deficient in lysine,is complemented by eating kidney beanswhich have high levels of lysine. Health is important, but it does not make sense to say it trumps ethical considerations. for example just because forcibly experiment on humans might allow the discovery of new medicines does not justify such an abuse of other peoples rights. Regardless all the evidence I have presented demonstrates that a vegan diet is healthy. Eats my meat is unnecessary and cruel.