RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
February 12, 2014 at 3:52 pm
(This post was last modified: February 12, 2014 at 3:54 pm by Tonus.)
(February 12, 2014 at 3:36 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: So you're basically saying life and freewill is a bad deal as that's how what I have explained to you.In other words, you're misrepresenting me on purpose.
Sword of Christ Wrote:No God gave you life in a physical body and he gave you freewill. The problem of sin is a consequence or byproduct of the existence God gave you in the first place. I don't know how many times I need to repeat this.So sin is "a by-product of life." Before it was a consequence of free will. Either is problematic, but it'd be good if you could keep your story together.
Sword of Christ Wrote:Genesis is a metaphor for the human condition.What a lousy writer, then.
Quote:The plan is a very good one if you understand it.It's an incoherent plan that cannot possibly be "understood," a problem you are demonstrating in your increasingly confused attempts to explain it.
Sword of Christ Wrote:We're not infected with anything. We are subject to certain unpleasant things given the nature of what we actually are, death is an example.And what we actually are, per your claim, is the creation of god. Ergo, if we are sinful by nature, this was god's plan.
Sword of Christ Wrote:You can't avoid physical degeneration through the aging process and death or physical and emotional suffering either but life itself is still a gift. A gift that has a downside but you would rather not have been born at all?It only has a downside because god programmed it in. Under the scenario you describe, I certainly would rather not have existed, since it means that behind the whole facade is a very nasty and very unpredictable being with the power --and the inclination-- to make my life a literal hell.
Sword of Christ Wrote:The design is 100% perfect, intentional and essentially good.Only if your standards are set impossibly low.
Sword of Christ Wrote:It's perfectly coherentNo, it isn't, as shown by your inability to make it sound coherent in these last few exchanges.
Sword of Christ Wrote:Sin and death is the consequence of something we want to have.Only because god made it that way, in order to give value to the sacrifice he could have avoided by not making us that way in the first place.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
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