Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?

[bennyboy]

Before I comment on any of this, I want to check that you didn't click the "Post Reply" button by accident. Or are you just playing the "how many fallacies can fit in a sentence" game?

No game, just don't don't like the PETA cult/religion. If people have a moral reason to be not eat meat that is fine. But if they are going to follow the contradictions, lies, word twisting, and brain washing of PETA, that is just sad. It just shows me that you fail to think through the whole picture on your own. Your mad when we kill animal and mad when we don't. You don't want them to suffer but get mad when we don't help them.
I'm sorry you don't see what is obvious to me. I often forget that people need things spelled out for them. Of course people see what is in front of them instead of what's all around them.

Wow 3 min in that video I'm being preached to. Just so you know I'm an atheist not just because I don't believe in god, but also I hate preaching.

Also they don't arrest people or ban them "for random acts of kindness". I expected a better video from you, then the one you gave me. There was a lot of things wrong with his arguments. They only plausible part of it was the last three minutes.

Actually, I'm not a big fan of PETA or the ALF either. But the post of yours that I quoted was pretty full of rhetorical fallacies: strawman, false dilemma, non sequitur, etc.

I think people forget that not only human beings, but also their ideas, are partway through the process of evolution. I try to look at issues like the vegetarian/non-vegetarian conflict in these terms: we have evolved certain nutritional instincts (eating fatty/high protein foods etc.) but also certain social instincts (protection of the helpless, an aversion to causing suffering in others, etc.) It seems to be when we fully indulge in our instincts that we can achieve the highest state of pleasure or satisfaction. But it also seems to me that this indulgence leads to the greatest harm, both to ourselves but also to the world around us.

I think in the end, the truth has to win. It was obvious that slavery was cruel and unnecessary-- but it took generations of conflict and meme evolution for this truth to be recognized. I consider meat-production (at least on an industrial scale) much the same-- it's quite clear that it harms both people and their environment, as well as causing much unneccessary suffering (at least the way things are right now); this really should change. My problem with PETA and the like is that they don't accept the humanity (you could even say the animal nature) of the people they are accusing; they would never accuse lions of following their dietary instincts, but they constantly demonize humans for doing so. And in refusing to accept and work around human nature, they build psychological resistance and resentment in many.

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Here's some raw meat that makes me salivate.

Me, too. That is some high-quality masturbation material right there.

I think this is actually good support for my point-- as humans we see ourselves as much more advanced than monkeys. But much of that great intellect we possess gets subjected to the process of seeking and fulfilling our monkey instincts. We as men are basically like monkeys masturbating in a zoo-- but with much better resources.