Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?

[KichigaiNeko]

Speak for yourself bennyboy. Quite frankly I would rather have a realistic view of the world and my place in it than have the delusion that I am somehow "above nature' and


..... yes...you are no better than monkeys masturbating in a zoo. Your resources are limited though

I'm trying to call it like it is, and to find the balancing point around which all these kinds of arguments revolve. I think the heightened emotions that come up with regard to these issues shows that instincts are getting paired off against each other: the pleasure putting compassion first (self-righteous pricks, I think you'd say) vs. the pleasure of consumption (selfish, insensitive pricks, la ban dien would probably say).

You talk about a "realistic" view of the world, but that's just a euphemism for "shit, and will never stop being shit." It's pretty obvious by the state of the world that instincts that work well on a local level (greed, aggression, etc.) are completely fucking the world. But you are ignoring the fact that a better future isn't real until it is made so. I prefer a future where bald, belligerent monkeys stop fucking up the world and try to live IN it. You stick up for the aggression, for the right to selfish overconsumption at any cost, to the benefit of members of our species no matter what the effect on others. This is understandable-- it's part of evolution. But we also have the ability to look around and guage our effect on the world. And right now, it's not a very good one. THAT is facing reality-- the world sucks, and it's sucking more and more, and it is people's insistence on behaving badly that is making it so.

As for your position in nature: this is a mistaken view. We are instrinsically a part of nature, whether we decide to make changes in our world views and behaviors, or not. The question is whether the part of nature called "humanity" is going to follow the path of irresponsible overconsumption and maltreatment of the world, or wake up and realize that we are part of a process, and that the whole process should be respected, not just those processes that bring us the immediate benefit of tingling pleasure neurons.

I just love the way you jump to assumptions about me, and attempt to lay blame where it is not warranted.

Stop trying to reinvent the toothbrush. The world is a wonderful place....and THEN you add people. Like you.