Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?

[bennyboy]

I created a whole page for us to have this discussion. Yet you avoid it and avoid actually looking into your pseudo religion.

You've made 2 new threads, and I've participated in both of them. You were going to make a debate thread, which I also agreed to participate in, and then changed your mind. I'm not sure at this point exactly in what way you thinking I'm avoiding anything.

As for vegetarianism being a religion. . . well, obvious bullshit is obvious. You keep trying to brand me as either a PETA clone or a religious-type nut. I'm not. I'm just a guy who thinks animals shouldn't be made to suffer if we can avoid it, and who therefore chooses not to eat meat.

You opt for the moral high ground and offer no concrete evidence of your position. Have a REAL good look around bennyboy. You are part and parcel of the problems you think the mammalian world is suffering from but are just so blasé about just how the vegetable kingdom is going to save you

What evidence are you looking for? Evidence that animals suffer, or evidence that it's wrong to make them suffer? It's obvious that they suffer, and the wrongness of making them suffer is a matter of subjective evaluation and is therefore not subject to rules of evidence-- by what criteria would you evaluate moral choices as objectively right or wrong?

Just as well I did't set up a debate for this.

I would have won with your no show.

Again, I don't know specifically what "no show" you are talking about. Either you have yet another thread that I haven't found, or you are engaging in enrico-level delusion. You made 2 new threads about this topic, and I posted in them both. So what's the problem?

And here I was thinking that you wanted an intelligent debate over this issue.

If you want a formal debate, start a debate thread. If you want a casual conversation, then that's fine, too. But the degree to which you keep trying to call me out over opinions I've never expressed, or over no-shows which never happened, is really getting a little bit strange. You keep ranting about PETA, an organization which I've expressly disagreed with, and about industrial farming practices, which I not only disagree with, but I believe I went on record first in this thread as pointing them out to be sources of hypocrisy among vegetarians.

I'm really not sure what you're up to in your many threads, but it seems to be a lot of unfocused busy-work. If you have a thesis, state it clearly, and we can engage in a debate about it, either in a formal debate thread or anywhere else. But you are really running hot-and-cold: 1 minute you are engaging me in a constructive discourse on farming practices, and the next you are claiming that I'm a crazy quasi-religious nut, and pretending that I'm dodging you. I'm interested in talking about vegetarianism; I'm not interested in engaging in a dramatic battle of wounded egos or a flame war.