See... Sigh... I thought I made it clear. My beliefs are my own, and I don't think there is a website that portrays them. I refuse to present proof simple because I can't. But know DownBeat and Thor, you have posted a bunch of links. I have to smile at that. I don't want to see what websites made you hold the opinion you do. If you r beliefs can be proven with the 'evidence' available on the net, then I find them laughable. And why won't god heal amputees.com!?! That's hilarious. The biggest fallacy of non belief. There is no god, but why doesn't she provide miracles? God won't heal amputees because it isn't her job. I mean seriously, you're moved by such an argument? I thought it was allegorical, but the website launches into a long winded explanation about how 'why can't god heal amputees' is the greatest question about god. I am rolling on the floor here. Fucking hilarious. God made the world. It's like when people bitch about how the sun may go supernova and kill us all. They get all pissy, like "how dare you sun!". But hey, the sun made all of this possible. If the sun giveth the sun taketh away. So yeah, god doesn't heal amputees. But god made the world in which you are alive and still have 3 limbs. Is she all that bad? You don't just want to be humble to be alive, but want god to make sure your life is perfect? I mean that has to be the stupidest argument for disbelief I can think of. Other than the whole 'the bible made me an atheist'. I am unimpressed. Is that denial of the evidence that exists on why won't god heal amputees.com? Hahahaha I'm gonna tell my friends about that one.
"You could also try reading "The God Delusion", or "God is not Great", or "Godless", or "The End of Faith". "
Ummmmm. Did you just get here? I have read the god delusion, and blind watchmaker, and god is not great, and that new one about evolution and literal genesis creationism. I am well versed in Dawkins, I have read some of his essays from when he was younger. I find him to be not only full of shit, but full of himself. He defines beleif is a way that is untrue, and then goes on to write book after book based on a definition that is his own. I can do that. I define atheism as the non belief because belief scares these witless little fecks. Now I will go on to write book after book creating a whole little army of self righteous arrogant twerps who think that their beliefs are based on science and fact, and they are right and everyone else is delusional. I also think he, with all of his intelligence, misunderstands and over states Darwinism. Would you read Dawkins God by Alister McGrath? I already read the books you recommended. I am unimpressed, am I denying the truth that Dawkins has shone?
"It's "silly" to ask for evidence that your claim is true? My, my...."
So you disagree? You really think those websites you posted are evidence? Is that the best you have? I, unlike yourself, can't think of a website that encompasses what I believe. I just tried to argue ID with Tavarish, and he thought I was party to someone who argued that fish came into existence with their scales already on! I laughed and laughed. I make up my own mind, I can't just point you to Loose Change: Final Edition, and say "that is what convinced me". Please try to understand. I didn't expect you to post links, and I certainly cannot think of any. Proof that god exists, if you want to find god find her, if not then not. I don't care.
I am poitoing out that your logic is flawed, how did I fail? If I say I beleive there is a god that made the world, I am making a claim that demands website links as evidence. If you claim there is not god, you're not making a claim but stating a proven scientific fact. Terrible double standard. So I thought I would try to explain that I expect no one to be able to literally 'prove' their beliefs with links to 'evidence' available on the net, and in response you post a link to whywontgodhealamputees.com. I don't think you got it. See if I am making a claim, then I need onlt wait a moment, and you will make a claim as well. Then who is the Burden upon?
Please don't post websites to try to convince me. If you are trying to entertain, I will be laughing about that stupid website all night. Whywongodhealamputees.com. hahahahaha that's fresh!
I appreciate your responses, god of thunder, but you're being difficult. To much Dawkins has made you rude and mean spirited. The point of this existance is not to try to find ways to disagree, but to try very hard to get along. I respect your beliefs, but I get the impression that favour is not returned. If you think you are right and I am wrong, and not just that we disagree, you are well on the way to fanaticism.
I also appreciate your response downbeat. but you also posted links to docu's. Please don't show me what moves you to beleive what you do, as I will likley find it laughable, and then will inadvertently make fun of things very important to you. It's not like after Loose Change I 'woke up' to the 9/11 truth, ut that from day one I knew. Because of my history with America, and what I knew of America's history, I just knew. How do I post a link that shows that I had studied Americana for years and years? If you guys were moved into your beliefs by web movies, I think you need to spend more time taking responsibility for you own minds.
Thank you for your time, and I hope to get my point across with out too much offense.
-Pip
"You could also try reading "The God Delusion", or "God is not Great", or "Godless", or "The End of Faith". "
Ummmmm. Did you just get here? I have read the god delusion, and blind watchmaker, and god is not great, and that new one about evolution and literal genesis creationism. I am well versed in Dawkins, I have read some of his essays from when he was younger. I find him to be not only full of shit, but full of himself. He defines beleif is a way that is untrue, and then goes on to write book after book based on a definition that is his own. I can do that. I define atheism as the non belief because belief scares these witless little fecks. Now I will go on to write book after book creating a whole little army of self righteous arrogant twerps who think that their beliefs are based on science and fact, and they are right and everyone else is delusional. I also think he, with all of his intelligence, misunderstands and over states Darwinism. Would you read Dawkins God by Alister McGrath? I already read the books you recommended. I am unimpressed, am I denying the truth that Dawkins has shone?
"It's "silly" to ask for evidence that your claim is true? My, my...."
So you disagree? You really think those websites you posted are evidence? Is that the best you have? I, unlike yourself, can't think of a website that encompasses what I believe. I just tried to argue ID with Tavarish, and he thought I was party to someone who argued that fish came into existence with their scales already on! I laughed and laughed. I make up my own mind, I can't just point you to Loose Change: Final Edition, and say "that is what convinced me". Please try to understand. I didn't expect you to post links, and I certainly cannot think of any. Proof that god exists, if you want to find god find her, if not then not. I don't care.
I am poitoing out that your logic is flawed, how did I fail? If I say I beleive there is a god that made the world, I am making a claim that demands website links as evidence. If you claim there is not god, you're not making a claim but stating a proven scientific fact. Terrible double standard. So I thought I would try to explain that I expect no one to be able to literally 'prove' their beliefs with links to 'evidence' available on the net, and in response you post a link to whywontgodhealamputees.com. I don't think you got it. See if I am making a claim, then I need onlt wait a moment, and you will make a claim as well. Then who is the Burden upon?
Please don't post websites to try to convince me. If you are trying to entertain, I will be laughing about that stupid website all night. Whywongodhealamputees.com. hahahahaha that's fresh!
I appreciate your responses, god of thunder, but you're being difficult. To much Dawkins has made you rude and mean spirited. The point of this existance is not to try to find ways to disagree, but to try very hard to get along. I respect your beliefs, but I get the impression that favour is not returned. If you think you are right and I am wrong, and not just that we disagree, you are well on the way to fanaticism.
I also appreciate your response downbeat. but you also posted links to docu's. Please don't show me what moves you to beleive what you do, as I will likley find it laughable, and then will inadvertently make fun of things very important to you. It's not like after Loose Change I 'woke up' to the 9/11 truth, ut that from day one I knew. Because of my history with America, and what I knew of America's history, I just knew. How do I post a link that shows that I had studied Americana for years and years? If you guys were moved into your beliefs by web movies, I think you need to spend more time taking responsibility for you own minds.
Thank you for your time, and I hope to get my point across with out too much offense.
-Pip
