Smut for Smut

[Pippy]

This has gotten out of hand.

You asked for links then scoffed when links were supplied.
Whats the deal with that?[/i]

I did not ask for links.
I said I would not provide links, because I knew of none that encompassed my views on what we were discussing. I then made the statement 'what if I asked you to provide proof via web link, it would be impossible'. That is not asking for links, in fact I was distinctly not asking for links and trying to get the point across that I don't want to post any or have any posted for me. I am not laughing at Thor, I'm laughing at whywon'tgodhealamputees.com. Certainly I respect his opinion, but if that was supposed to be 'proof', then it is a good example of why I don't want your proof. The 'why does god let life suck' argument is even worse than the 'if god is the first cause, who made god' fallacy. Please understand I did not ask for links and then laugh at them...

So you openly acknowledge that you're making shit up to fit a pre-determined belief.

Hey again Tavarish. That is an incorrect and petty way to decry my statement that I don't watch one movie on the net and am made a believer. That is a jab, and I choose to just duck.

You see driftwood along the beach. It functions as a wall as well as an ecosystem for microorganisms and sentient life. It is, by all definitions, complex. It has no singular function, but can assume many roles as a system. Who designed this?

No one. Driftwood has many little places in the system, but not many moving and interdependent parts. It is a terrible analogy. A driftwood to rebut a flagelan motor... Ohhh Kay.

Thanks for the insight on what the meaning of existence is. I don't care what you believe. Just try not to write stuff that's not backed up by anything - you will be called out on it.

uh oh! I would rather write stuff that is 'not backed up by anything' than stuff that is backed up by whywontgodhealamputees.com. I told everyone I know about that website, it is seriously terribly funny...

Yes, you sound very reasonable. "I just know".
Don't get me started on 9/11 truthers. That's a whole other shade of retarded.

I would rather have you label me as 'unreasonable' that say my proof is on the caliber of whywon'tgodhealamputees.com. The only claim 9/11 truthers make in conjunction is that we are being lies too about 9/11. The fact that we are being lied to about 9/11 is undeniable. Be careful about what side of that specific argument you are on, because one side will be right in time, and one side will be idiots in time. Be careful that you are not stuck on the losing side of that debate. But you're gonna argue that Isreali Lizard People did not do it, and you once heard someone say that, and now I must be saying that, and how silly of me to say that...

Said the person who "knew" about 9/11 truth after watching Loose Change.

Please, if you gonna talk to me, you hafta listen to what I am saying. I very, very clearly stated that I DID NOT just know about 9/11 truth after watching loose change. In fact, that is the exact opposite of what I said. I said that I cannot, as a simple example, post a link to loose change as 'proof' of my truthism, because it was not that one film that made me know. Please let me repeat. Loose Change did not make me a truther, I did not make that claim, please don't say I made that claim. If you want to argue with yourself, stop wasting my time.

Gee... you scoff at the material I present. What a surprise.

Hey Thor, thank you for replying. Please don't take it personally, I am not scoffing at you. If Whywontgodhealamputees.com (now shortened to Whywont.com) is very personally important to you, I suppose I am sorry. But that is a stupid and laughable website. I read the entire Ebook format of it, and it is sooo fallacious. Point one, no one here, especially not I, said that god provides miracles of curing arthritis and shit every day. This is what I mean when I say you guys are arguing at me, but yelling at someone else. I never claimed that god does miracles every day, unless being allowed to be on such a fantastic planet counts as a miracle. And the way he wrote it. I mean come on. He references Amputees with a capital A, and treats them like an orginized group. He had better be missing a limb himself, or he is walking a thin line of taking advantage of disabled people. I had hoped you wouldn't post links to 'proof', and now that you have you see why. If I posted a site that was important to me, you would think it laughable as well. If gets us no where.

And, apparently you've managed to miss the entire point the website is trying to make. Believers constantly talk about the "miracles" that this deity has performed.

I have never made that claim, and do not defend it. I don't care what you or your silly website thinks believers constantly talk about, that doesn't have anything to do with me.

They claim that people have been cured of all types of diseases! They claim that folks have had their arthritis eliminated! Their sight has been restored! Etc, etc...

Again, I never made these claims, and do not defend them. This website is about as stupid as those people. They are both arguing about who is stupider. I laugh at miracle healers too, if it makes you feel better god of thunder man.

I want to know why this deity never heals an amputee. What does this deity have against amputees?

Are you being serious? A car crashed into you. That car was itself a representation of momentum, chance, and other people's free will. It severed your arm, we are all very sorry. You lived, your immune system kept out the junk, your blood and lymphatic systems were able to cope with the loss of an arm. You are still alive, and should consider being humble (thankful, not necessarily to anyone or thing) that you are still alive. But no. It's not enough that God made this world, that she made us in her image, that she loves us unconditionally. It's not enough to live in a world with momentum and free will and chance, but that those things can only work in my favour and as soon as momentum hurts me, god has failed me. So you are the most complex and fascinating (may be miraculous) thing in existence. You are lucky enough, not just to be human, but to be human and alive. And god has something against you because you survived a car crash? God has failed you because you dared lose an arm and she won't make it grow back?

I can't tell you how silly an argument that is. God is not in the business of making arms grow back. It is like saying 'I bought a ticket to fly to Oz, and now I am standing in my backyard flapping my arms. Worst $400 I ever spent, Delta is failing me because I am not flying to Oz yet. God dosn't make arms grow back. If that is your best argument against god, find another.

Imagine that you lost your legs in a car accident. I can have your legs regenerate simply by snapping my fingers. It takes no effort on my part. You ask me to snap my fingers and restore your legs. I refuse. Would you think of me as a good guy?

Good try, allow me. Imagine you lost your legs in a car accident. I can regenerate them simply. It takes very little effort on my part. You ask. I refuse. I explain that causality and free will trump everything else in this reality. I cannot just give you legs back, or I would have to give everyone everything they wanted. Unless you want god to fix you legs, and fuck everyone else's prayers. But imagine if you would how we would be able to learn or grow if I held your hand every minute. If choices and chances did not have good or bad outcomes, what would be the point? If you still wanted me to break the rules of existence to fix your stupid legs instead of dealing with it like everyone else does, would you think of yourself as a good guy?

I'm simply asking why this deity who, according to believers, performs miracles every day, has never restored the missing limbs of an amputee. I'm just taking what believers claim to be true and pointing out a rather large inconsistency.

Ah, it is only an inconsistency if I myself ever claimed that god 'performs miracles every day'. Here we are again, with you arguing against things I did not say and do not believe. The miracle god performs is that we can lose our limbs. Think about it.

Thank you both for taking the time. I hope not to be too rude, but I have to give salt for salt. I appreciate your opinions, and thank you for sharing them. Until next time.

-Pippy