(March 23, 2010 at 9:23 pm)Pippy Wrote: Because the officla Commission did such a terrible job that the "official" story cannot be true. Figure it out for yourself. One point out of millions. America's defense systems (on which they spend billions of dollars) failed catastrophically that morning.
How did America's defense system "fail"? These were not enemy bombers that came from overseas. These were commercial airplanes that had been hijacked.
Quote: I'm telling you that in history I am on the right side of this debate (methinks).
What is "the right side"? That our government was somehow involved in a conspiracy to crash airliners into buildings? For what purpose? The stupidity of such a notion is staggering.
Quote:The reason god dosn't interfere is because she loves us. God loves us enough to know not to interfere.
"God" doesn't interfere because he "loves us"?
And I suppose if you somehow thought that "God" HAD interfered at some point to prevent you from getting hurt, you would say that he interfered because he loves you. "God" just can't lose!
Quote: This is a giant learning machine. A kind of matter based simulation. How would the learning machine function if you had a mommy making sure nothing happened to you?
Actually, my mother did make sure nothing happened to me. She made sure I didn't play with matches, drink laundry detergent, eat rat poison or climb out windows. So your argument is kind of absurd.
Imagine this scenario: Mommy sees little Billy has wandered into the street. Mommy says to herself, "Oh, my. Billy is in the middle of the street! But, because I love him so much, I can't interfere. After all, the world is a learning machine, and the learning machine can't function if I interfere. Billy will have to learn from this experience. Oh, gee. Billy just got squashed by a truck!"
Is the mother criminally negligent? If so, this is how your god acts every day.
Quote:And the Dover Trial was rebutted by me when I just read that the opening argument defined ID as 'fish made with their scales already on'. That is not the argument or theory of ID I support, that is kindergarten level stupid.
This is not a counterpoint to the rebuttal of the bacterial flagellum.
Quote:What is more important to the being in charge of everything? You're stupid litte arm and your whining about it, or that causality and free will are allowed to function?
Causality and free will can't function if this deity restores someone's missing limb?
Quote:I appreciate that, I made it special for this occasion. I tried to make one on par with comparing interdependent complexity with a piece of driftwood, which you were not involved in.
No, you were making an analogy comparing having a missing limb restored to buying a ticket on an airline and then going in the back yard and flapping your arms. Can't you even keep track of what you say?
Quote:Is it not juvenile to argue that god should fix only your legs and no on elses? If I am juvenile, you think the universe revolves around you.
Where did I say he should only fix my missing limb and no one else's? I think he should restore everyone's missing limbs! He should restore eyesight to all blind people. He should fix the spinal cords of all paralyzed persons. I'm not being selfish at all here.
Quote:Oh, keep stewing over it though. It's a great thing, and something to be thankful for, that we live in a world with causality, consequence and free will.
Yes, I'm very thankful to know that I can lose my limbs, eyesight or ability to walk at any moment.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
