(March 24, 2010 at 9:20 am)tavarish Wrote:(March 23, 2010 at 7:28 pm)RedFish Wrote: Rebut all you like, I think differently. I can't seriously be expected to read all 60000+ posts in case there was something important I missed, can I?
That's why there's a search feature. Learn it. Use it. Love it. Be it.
You wish. I'll gather my information from my own sources, thanks. Far better things to do with my time..Loving, living, appreciating the wonderful gift that life is...You know the kind of s***
(March 24, 2010 at 9:20 am)tavarish Wrote:(March 23, 2010 at 7:28 pm)RedFish Wrote: Substitute religious group for Dawkins lot and they are identical, assuming the 'evidence on hand' was provided for them? Your own concerns testify to the inherent 'danger'.
Do you even know what Richard Dawkins says on the matter? I'm guessing you don't, as you think he's some kind of authority. He's a dude that wrote a book. Some of us on here don't even like his style of writing or the points that he makes. I personally disagree on many of his points. It's readily apparnt that you have absolutely no idea what a religion IS, as you're equating it to a LACK of belief in something. Do you subscribe to the religion of non-racism?
I was offering the information as proof that atheism has dogma, not that atheism is a religion. Do you understand the difference? I subscribe to no religion, as I have said. Neither do I deny them.
(March 24, 2010 at 9:20 am)tavarish Wrote:(March 23, 2010 at 7:28 pm)RedFish Wrote: I apologise, my aim was at the atheists who have merely scorned and insulted those of faith, if this does not include you, I am sorry. Some on here seem to enjoy being rude, a little too much.
It's insulting when this question gets asked a million times, then another flash in the pan apologetic comes and asks the same question, thinking that they're daring and open minded, only to scoff at the fact that he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. Words have meaning. You can't just call an apple a grapefruit because you feel like it and expect people to go along with you.
Err. What question? There is no question in that quote. You've lost me with that rant, but I feel it is aimed at me. Why? And WTF do you mean?
(March 24, 2010 at 9:20 am)tavarish Wrote:(March 23, 2010 at 7:28 pm)RedFish Wrote: I consider an enlightened open mind to be a sign of intelligence, more than shouting, anyway. I was encouraged to do so myself. As a noob.
Oh, the ironing.
Not worthy of response. <other than that...
(March 24, 2010 at 9:20 am)tavarish Wrote:(March 23, 2010 at 7:28 pm)RedFish Wrote: To you there's a big difference. To other atheists, not so.
The guy kept having to specifically exclude the basic tenet 'there is no god', from consideration as a tenet(!). And a completely loaded debate. Doesn't convince me, at all.
Because it's not a tenet. It's a lack of belief. It's not even an assertion, as most atheists are intellectually honest enough to say "I don't believe in the claim that there is a God", not "there is no God", as the mind doesn't operate in absolutes, nor can we make the claim without evidence to support it.
I'm sorry, the guy himself CALLED it a tenet. Listen again, rather than just enjoying the fun-making.
How is it a loaded debate when the caller asked the question? They made a stupid assertion and got it shoved back in their face. Much like what goes on in here pretty often.
1. Debate was for tv purposes.
2. 2 atheists, 1 theist.
3. Atheists in control of 'kill-switch' and used it as a threat.
Reminded me of here.