(March 6, 2014 at 3:27 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(March 5, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: When metaphysics is claimed to effect the natural world, yeah, it is open to scientific inquiry.
When theists claim their god answers prayers, that is a testable claim.
When theists claim their god communicates with them, that is a testable claim.
They are claiming to be 'god detectors'.
You clearly have no idea about metaphysics.
Answers to prayer are metaphysical claims. Creation is a metaphysical claim. God communicating is a metaphysical claim.
Are you really that ignorant?
WOW!
Was I really that unclear? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it was my fault in communicating my point.
I'm not saying that the (magical) metaphysical process itself is testable. BUT, if the metaphysical process in question effects the natural world, the effects on the natural world are testable.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
