RE: Christians, what is your VERY BEST arguments for the existence of God?
April 2, 2010 at 10:49 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2010 at 10:49 pm by Oldandeasilyconfused.)
Quote:but why would we think it didnt apply before the big bang?
I asked a friend of mine exactly that question. He's an astrophysicist so he dumbed it right down for me.: "There was no 'before ' the Big bang"
Quote:you said that quantum events happen without a cause
As far as I can recall, I said no such thing. I think I said some physicists have made the argument.It may be true, it may not.
"Nothing comes from nothing" Is a broad statement which may or may not be true. In claiming God is self causing or timeless,the theist negates the claim by equivocation and special pleading. The atheist is left with the possibilities that either nothing can and did come from nothing,or the universe has always existed. I have no opinion on the matter.
There is also another argument which posits a fact justifies it's own existence. That the only thing which may be inferred (concluded) from a fact is itself. EG a watch IMPLIES(suggests) a watchmaker, but does not infer it.
I don't know "the answer" or even if there is only one. Nor do I have any problem with saying " I don't know". Everything I think I know,without exception, remains always open to question. This position is called 'scepticism'. It is the antithesis of faith.
There are a limited number of arguments for the existence of God(s). All have been refuted. ID is an only extension of the teleological argument,a very old and mouldy chestnut..
My overall position is God cannot be argued into or out of existence. Logic does NOT guarantee truth,regardless off what some neo Platonists argue.The existence of God can either be proven by evidence or it cannot. So far there is no evidence.
God exists? Fine show me God or stop wasting my time. It's not a complex idea. Why is it so hard for so many believers grasp?