RE: Why oh Why
March 18, 2014 at 8:51 am
(This post was last modified: March 18, 2014 at 8:53 am by Drich.)
(March 17, 2014 at 2:55 pm)rasetsu Wrote:Was Christ released in the wilderness? No, He was nailed to a cross and left to die. What you have is a transferance of sin to the 'scape goat.' while the blood offering was made to cover the transgressors of said sins.(March 17, 2014 at 9:38 am)Drich Wrote: When the Jews sacrificed the sin offerings in OT days, The Sin offering/Sheep did not take the sin of the sinner upon them.
The wage of sin was death. Or rather the punishment of sin is death. Christ died for the sins of the world, thus paying man's debt. However Christ being God resurected himself, and overcame death.
NASB Wrote:7 He shall take the two goats and present them before the Lord at the doorway of the tent of meeting. 8 Aaron shall cast lots for the two goats, one lot for the Lord and the other lot for the scapegoat. 9 Then Aaron shall offer the goat on which the lot for the Lord fell, and make it a sin offering. 10 But the goat on which the lot for the scapegoat fell shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make atonement upon it, to send it into the wilderness as the scapegoat. ...
... 20 “When he finishes atoning for the holy place and the tent of meeting and the altar, he shall offer the live goat. 21 Then Aaron shall lay both of his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the iniquities of the sons of Israel and all their transgressions in regard to all their sins; and he shall lay them on the head of the goat and send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a man who stands in readiness. 22 The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to a solitary land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness.
Leviticus 16:7-22
(Keep reading to verse 28)
23 “Then Aaron shall come into the tabernacle of meeting, shall take off the linen garments which he put on when he went into the Holy Place, and shall leave them there. 24 And he shall wash his body with water in a holy place, put on his garments, come out and offer his burnt offering and the burnt offering of the people, and make atonement for himself and for the people. 25 The fat of the sin offering he shall burn on the altar. 26 And he who released the goat as the scapegoat shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward he may come into the camp. 27 The bull for the sin offering and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the Holy Place, shall be carried outside the camp. And they shall burn in the fire their skins, their flesh, and their offal. 28 Then he who burns them shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward he may come into the camp.
Christ's actions repersents the final word in the blood sacrifice needed to atone for sin. Christ was not the 'scapegoat' He was the blood sacrifice.
As outlined in the following link, blood sacrifices 'cover' the sin of the sinner they do not transfer.
http://www.preciousholidays.net/bloodsacrifice.html
(March 17, 2014 at 7:09 pm)Chad32 Wrote:(March 17, 2014 at 6:59 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: So being beaten to bloody pulp in from a mocking crowd, having your brow impaled by thorns, hanging suspended in the air as your flesh shreds till you suffocate...
Jesus could have lived a life of ease making chairs in a one horse town. Instead he loved you enough to put himself through all that agony.
And you have the gall to say He didn't make a sacrifice because He resurrected.
If it happened, it didn't mean squat. It's still sending yourself down to sacrifice yourself to yourself to save people from something you made because of a curse you put on them for petty reasons.
No innocent should ever pay for the crimes of the guilty. No one should be found guilty without fair trial. No guilty person should ever be punished beyond their crime. This is what justice is. It is not condemning someone for something someone else did, without trial, and punished with an eternity of suffering. Which is what mainstream christians believe.
What he did was immoral, and served no purpose other than to entertain him. He lost nothing substantial that I can tell
What happened on the cross was a physical repersentation of what God endured to allow for attonement. whether you can personally understand all of the symbology or not few can dispute the price and pain that was paid to bring about the forgiveness of sin.