(December 15, 2008 at 12:31 pm)LukeMC Wrote: No knowledge of good or bad, no responsibilty on the humans to do the right thing.
Excellent rebuttal. Very convincing.
(December 15, 2008 at 12:31 pm)LukeMC Wrote: Say what? I'm sure he could manage if he tried.
You are sure of nothing. Satan deceived Eve and Adam - in charge of Earth agreed to reject God. God knows that man would fuck it up without his help, even I know that. It is obvious. If he tried to humor them and do as much as he can they would never realize that they need his guidance and protection. If he stepped in he would be contributing to man's sin as well. That is why he can't have anything to do with it. The meaning of the entire Bible demonstrates this and can be summarized in one simple sentence. The vindication of Jehovah God's name through the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus.
(December 15, 2008 at 12:31 pm)LukeMC Wrote: Good is a reletive term, and only good in comparison with bad or less good. You won't convince anybody that they can know good without knowing bad. Unless they are completely absent of a mind and the ability to assess a situation and make choices.
When a parent tells their child to be good by not doing something he has learned what is good and bad, if the child was allowed to formulate its own opinion it would vary a great deal from society's. God told Adam that the tree represented what was good and what was bad. He told them that they didn't have to find out what was bad but Satan deceived them into thinking they were being withheld from it.
Daystar Wrote:There is nothing impossible about what the Bible says.
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Fucking idiot? I know the feeling . . . It isn’t easy is it? Actually, I should have been more complete and specific there. There is nothing impossible about what the Bible says regarding the canopy of water.
Quote:When I was younger I was raised as a non religious non militant atheist. When presented with the choice of being a Xian I rejected that because I thought Xians were nuts, delusional, hypocrites. I made a choice based upon that. I chose not to believe in God even without any real knowledge of God. Later, when I studied the Bible in order to debunk it I realized that Xians were worse than the crazy, delusion, hypocrites they obviously were, they also fucked up the real meaning of the Bible for the sake of stupid pagan myth and Santy Clause. God and the Bible was true.
(December 15, 2008 at 12:31 pm)LukeMC Wrote: Non sequitar. You read the bible and it is true. You're missing a vital step Daystar. The evidence part?
In a court of law evidence would include testimony and eyewitness testimony. If, like you atheists often speculate, the writers of the Bible wrote it not under inspiration it would have contained the mistakes and contradictions that you perceive it to have. If God did inspire the writing it would demonstrate itself to be true upon closer examination. That was my evidence. Had science come to the conclusion that I did before me I most likely wouldn’t have ever studied the Bible because I don’t take science at all serious.
So, you want scientific evidence go out and find it because I don’t give a shit about it. If you want me to show you fucked. But you don’t want me to show you. You want me not to show you. Which means you are going to have these types of discussions over and over again hoping no one will ever show you the evidence you don’t want to see.
The question is why? Why bother? I once asked everyone here if they would change their mind if science proved the existence of God and they said they would. Why? What is the point? It answers nothing. It is no solution. It means nothing.
You don’t believe in God? So what? Who cares? Why waste your time with it?
If God did exist why would you care? So what? You would not be interested?
Either way you are wasting your time … unless … unless there is some other reason. Some weakness or guilt on your part that you feel. That is real to you.
