(March 28, 2010 at 3:44 am)chatpilot Wrote: TW wrote: "You mean to say that the contradiction between different belief systems would have to imply at least half of the entirety as incorrect."I think too many people hold their view above others views within religious organisations, sometimes doctrine through desire for funding, otherwise as a general response within the church for confirmation and/or numbers. I don't think this judgemental approach trully reflects love of all mankind, as is the story.
No but when I was a Christian that was my experience and here in the states which is rife with Christianity and its innumerable variations to this day those churches compete with each other in a negative way. If you tell a Baptist, Methodist, or any other group that you are catholic they will tell you that the Catholic church is false and of Satan etc. etc. If you are Baptist and tell a Pentecostal that you are Baptist you will get a similar reply.
chatpilot Wrote:TW wrote: "My belief is that God has a dilute form which can function through different systems. My belief is that I found Him where I would understand Him."Christianity might be the faith that your home land possesses. The reasoning I've heard some state regarding other religions is that it's like a sort of rejection to God, as he's presented to you. You can't understand Him any better by searching all the diverse ranges, one is complicated enough - as life is.
If he his "dilute form" as you say can function through different systems, then wouldn't that defeat the purpose of revealing himself through his word to mankind? If I can get the same or similar feelings from god say through Hinduism for example then why bother to seek him through Christianity? Besides according to the bible god condemns other religious beliefs that are opposed to the one he has revealed.
(April 7, 2010 at 12:57 am)TheDisciple Wrote: This seems to be a prime example of good vs evil. It seems to be a classic conflict all of humanity faced and faces to this day. The conflict: A deep inner confusion between God, self, and the world. The comment above was something of, "I think that if God is an unstructured force there would be chaos about whose version of Him was correct." Here in lives the problem, "if God is." Scripture would reveal, I AM. The whole game of life is to chase this infinite question with vexated answers and the living of meaningless lives if it were not for grace, love, mercy, etc...all the characters of I AM. "Unstructured force"...by worldly standards or simply a vague comprehension of pure bliss (eternity)? The question is not about God's own comprehension or attributes, it is a discussion of how the forces of darkness comprehend God's light...which they comprehend not. By this I mean they know of it most definitely but do not comprehend its meaning, composition, so on and so forth. Hence our being here (haha). The reason I know God is alive, personal with us, and alone is God stems from the fact that all things resound His name. The sun, moon, stars, animals, trees, people, bodily organs and processes, atomic and subatomic particles...everything we know! We, as humans, are His image. We were not meant to feel naked in His presence. Look how our bodies evolve; shed hair, larger brain for cognition, dulled senses, loss of instict for intellect....all mechanisms to hide our shame. The essence of our sin, to take on time and go against the "grain" of eternity. We ask, "who is God?" Well, why don't you look inside. And by the way, what we think God is does nothing against what the Serpent of old knows God is. I understand you (truthworthy) do not see Him as an unstructured force, but nonetheless you found Him at a place of security...no doubt brother/sister ? ?Thankyou disciple, I enjoyed reading this post (brother). I think God's structure is a more human design, I can't imagine God with a stucture, and having an unchanging set of rules. This is based on my view of science - if God had a definite system then he could be predicted. If constantly predicatable He would have to be added to physics as a principle. I suppose I've misinterpreted you here - in another way, I don't think God is a constantly changing state, or force - in this way I agree.
Also noteworthy, Jesus of Nazareth resounded God's name with His own tongue, to mind, body, soul, and spirit. Look at the chaos He was surrounded by...haha...seems someone found the truth!
(April 7, 2010 at 10:48 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: @ the OPI'm a little bit thrown here EvF. Firstly, my emotions could already be in my head, along with my thoughts (where by the way, thoughts actually stem from).
Sounds to me like you've let your emotions rule you instead of using your head TruthWorthy, no offence. So you believe in God now and not just that - Catholism (back to that again eh? Sheesh) - and what evidence have you actually come across? None? Just felt emotions and given into them... you crave religion, is that it? Or am I missing something here? (something that is actually true that is).
EvF
Yes, I've taken up Catholicism; no, I don't claim it as the one true path to God that is the sole and only way to God. I say that all views are valid - this one is valid to me.
You want to see my evidence? I like you EvF, you're always alluding to the truth in what can be seen, heard, etc. You can't have any, we all know that. Also, as a consequence of all the times you play on the evidence as an argument against faith; I have a suggested name change for you: "Experience vs. Faith"; at the end of every arguement on faith comes the on based on experience (apparently). Unfortunately, the only way I can share my experience with you is through language, I can literally present it as a concrete object for you.
(April 7, 2010 at 3:39 pm)Darwinian Wrote: This is your final warning.I really thought this site was opposed to censorship in any form at all . . .
This is a DISCUSSION forum and NOT a place for you to post your poems or to preach at us. Especially as you have only been here 5 minutes and you've already been warned about preaching.
If you can't enter into proper and meaningful discussions with other members then you will simply be banned. Something I would rather not have to do.
(April 9, 2010 at 1:55 pm)chatpilot Wrote: The very title of this thread betrays it, since there are in my opinion no ultimate revelations of god whatsoever. So far all we've heard are revelations based on emotions and reinterpretations of how Christians see god everywhere around them and are in awe of his magnificence.I don't think I'm preeching here at all, just answering questions about my beliefs. I don't intend on changing anyone's opinion, I just thought sharing it would be a healthy and appropriate gesture to AF members.
I've been here a while and had a lot to say while I've been here (not always good). However, I'm glad to be among you all, and welcome any questions/opinions/etc.
Coming soon: Banner image-link to new anti-islam forum.