Daystar

[Daystar]

Put simply, the pepper moth was a lightish brown and used to live on the bark of trees. As the industrial revolution took place and pollution became a real problem most of the natural habitats of the moth became darkened with soot and so many of the species lost their ability to camouflage and were eaten by birds.

Right, and as some scientist pointed out, disgusted at this lame attempt to claim this was a case of mutation, both moths existed and were recorded as having existed before the industrial evolution and this was simply a case of camouflage.

Mutation means that not every moth was born with this light colour. Some months that were born with darker colour avoided this fate and subsequently went on to produce the next generation, and so on.

As they had before. Nothing changed it only switched. The dark moths now had the advantage that the lighter moths had before the industrial age.

For some time then, most pepper moths became very dark until we started to clean up our act and reduced the amount of pollution and therefore the darkening of trees etc.

No. See this is the ridiculous extent that 'science' has to go in order to try and prove evolution. The lighter moths didn't change into darker ones in order to survive, the darker moths only now survived and thrived because they were harder for the birds to see.

Now the pepper moth has started to regain it lighter colour as the darker moths are now no longer properly camouflaged.

That is completely stupid. The darker moth is simply lost the advantage because the pollution is more under control. They could have easily demonstrated this, not that it would be necessary to do so for anyone other than a complete idiot or someone trying to convince a complete idiot of evolution.

Scientists like to use the pepper moth as a good example of evolution, which of course it is, but creationists point out that this is only evidence of micro-evolution i.e. changes within a species and not macro evolution i.e. one species turning into another.

It isn't evidence of any kind of evolution, it is evidence of desperation and how stupid people can be.

However, which ever way you look at it, it's proof of evolution. unless of course, God deliberately intervened and helped the poor old pepper moth out in it's time of trouble.

God wouldn't have to intervene. Anyone who painted the tree bark dark and watched the dark moths thrive as they were camouflaged and then painted the tree bark light and watched the same thing happen again with the light could tell you that it wasn't evolution.

Laughable.

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Though I hold out no hope of a rational answer, one that is relevant or even an answer at all I remind you Daystar that have yet to answer my question properly.

I've also come to another conclusion about you (in addition to your being a Fundy Creationist who is boxing a bit clever) ... you've become a berserker! I don't use that in the classic sense of Norse warriors but in the sense of a science fiction book I once read where the human race, well advanced into space, had come across these planetoid sized ships whose purpose was purely and simply to cause chaos and destruction ... I think that is now your aim here and it's unfortunate (for me) that I do react badly to people like you.

Mods: I think you need to seriously consider banning Daystar (me too probably) because I don't think he is here to debate at all, at least not any more, I think his one and only purpose is to "fuck us up" in some way. He's not a troll in the classic sense but his behaviour does mimic some aspects of the troll.

Kyu

Here it comes. Right on schedule. Will he make it to 400?! I don't think so!