(March 27, 2014 at 1:22 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Sorry. I just don't buy how you rationalize you negative bias. Give me one real example of evidence you would accept?
An actual, personal experience of the kind so many christians claim to have had would do it for me, probably. And to be clear, until the end of my teens I could probably have been called a deist, or at least not outright an atheist, and there were even points at which I had prayed in my youth; here's a young man in literally the perfect position to be shown the light just the way we so often get told happens, and yet... nothing.
Now, as I said, a lack of evidence isn't evidence for god, which is why I'm still an agnostic atheist open to all possibilities, I'm just saying that there was a great opportunity in my life for the sort of personal relationship that I get told about so often, and it didn't happen.
I'm sure I'll get a ton of excuses and rationalizations for that, now: I didn't pray hard enough, I wasn't sincere, god's ways are mysterious, he clearly has another plan for you, all the classics. But I'd like to point out ahead of time that the first two involve insights into the state of my mind before I knew any of you, so none of you are in a position to say, and the last ones are just unverifiable. It's great if you guys want to believe that, but it should be clear that my worldview requires something stronger.
I don't think GC's wind argument is at all convincing, but if the comparison was at all valid, I would be a believer; if god were as present as the wind in my life, then sure. And Chad, your Jesus cell example would definitely be a step in that direction for me personally, but a first step doesn't complete the journey to church, you know?
I'm just asking for positive evidence, the same as I would do for any other thing. Otherwise, why not just keep an open mind and not oversell the case for things just to reach a more comfortable conclusion? I long ago became comfortable with temporary ignorance, so I'm not going to overreach in search of answers that might be fallacious.
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